Russians steal Ukrainian children, they’ve multiple times been caught mass executing civilians too… Their side iterates that Ukraine doesn’t exist, like Putin implied.
Putin wants to eradicate the Ukrainian national identity.
The official narrative is that Ukrainian government is illegitimate and ruled by Nazis, abd the country needs to be “liberated” from their rule. It doesn’t strongly assume destruction of Ukraine the state, but clearly indicates that Russia or its puppets should be in charge.
And even then, there are many stateless nations, and I don’t think Ukrainian identity is the one that is easy to erase.
Absolutely, it doesn’t justify any actions of Russia in Ukraine, and I never said so.
I just say the Putin’s endgame doesn’t necessarily include Ukraine losing statehood (but it would certainly become a puppet state with all the negative consequences).
Could you please send said essay? Genuine request.
I answered on “deportation of children” in another thread. Long story short - those are kids from orphanages in Donbass, and I’d rather have them moved to safety (which both Russia and Ukraine do) than left to die in a warzone. Don’t see how it constitutes ethnic cleansing.
This brings me to another point: many if not most of the children who have been transferred were orphans. They were therefore wards of the Ukrainian state. It seems possible, indeed probable, that Khan may want to push Ukraine to do more to protect these children. The warrant could thus have the effect of creating the necessary political space and freeing up the resources to do more for children in Ukraine who are most at risk of being stolen by Russian soldiers and transferred to be “adopted” in Russia.
Russians steal Ukrainian children, they’ve multiple times been caught mass executing civilians too… Their side iterates that Ukraine doesn’t exist, like Putin implied.
Putin wants to eradicate the Ukrainian national identity.
The official narrative is that Ukrainian government is illegitimate and ruled by Nazis, abd the country needs to be “liberated” from their rule. It doesn’t strongly assume destruction of Ukraine the state, but clearly indicates that Russia or its puppets should be in charge.
And even then, there are many stateless nations, and I don’t think Ukrainian identity is the one that is easy to erase.
Okay but we, over here on the good side of the sanity line, know that’s not true, right? It justifies nothing.
Absolutely, it doesn’t justify any actions of Russia in Ukraine, and I never said so.
I just say the Putin’s endgame doesn’t necessarily include Ukraine losing statehood (but it would certainly become a puppet state with all the negative consequences).
Except, Putin thinks Ukraine is not a country and has no right to exist. It is in his own essay.
And then there is the actual deportation of children to Russia, you know, one of the actually spelled out acts of ethnic cleansing.
Could you please send said essay? Genuine request.
I answered on “deportation of children” in another thread. Long story short - those are kids from orphanages in Donbass, and I’d rather have them moved to safety (which both Russia and Ukraine do) than left to die in a warzone. Don’t see how it constitutes ethnic cleansing.
Sure buddy:
A summary on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Historical_Unity_of_Russians_and_Ukrainians
The formal publication on the website of the Kremlin: https://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181
A download from the evidence stash in the ICC: https://www.legal-tools.org/doc/tt382m/
And on the children:
Here is the announcement for the ICC arrest warrant. https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and
Here is an article looking at this from a legal perspective and why this is an issue: https://justiceinconflict.org/2023/03/21/why-did-the-international-criminal-court-focus-on-the-transfer-and-deportation-of-children-from-ukraine-to-russia/
Thank you! Will give a read.
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