show me the gas chambers and other mass-death centers
Its funny, because I’ve seen old school white nationalist Holocaust deniers say this exact same thing. Any effort to demonstrate the contrary results in blanket denialism - deny the sources, reject the images, insist on conspiracy-theory alternatives.
I have to wonder, if I present you with clear and damning evidence of the IDF conducting mass killings of civilian populations and mass imprisonment with the intention of killing the Arab population, will you accept it at face value or will you find an excuse to dismiss it?
The genocidal group is the dumbass Hamas
Hamas has no bomber jets. Hamas has no tanks. Hamas has no nuclear weapons. Hamas has no conscript army with years of training and ready access to equipment. Hamas has no prisons or schools or offices within Gaza. Hamas controls none of Gaza’s borders, nor do any of the countries bordering Gaza ally with Hamas. None of Hamas high level leadership can reside within the Gaza district without coming under artillery fire from Israel drones and mortars and bombers. And no one within the district of Gaza can present themselves as members of Hamas without being shot at or bombed by IDF security forces. A member of Hamas cannot lay a hand on the fence between the border of Israel and Gaza without risking extrajudicial killing, as evidenced by the 2018 Great March of Return, which resulted in 223 dead and over 9,000 Palestinians seriously wounded.
Consider the Israeli Samson Option, which proposes the wholesale nuclear annihilation of any country which successfully invades Israeli’s border.
Consider the Israeli Dahiya Doctrine, which outlines a strategy of systematic destruction of civilian infrastructure against any country which threatens Israeli border patrols. This strategy was most apparent during the '06 Lebanon War, which resulted in Israel leveling an entire quarter of Beirut.
The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day?
Ah right. They want all of it. No room left for Jews or Israel. What of the Israelis?
Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).
Oh right. They want to obliterate it. And guess what? this is just in the 2nd paragraph of Hamas’s founding documents.
Is singing “America the Beautiful” also a hate crime?
I have Hamas’s charter right here
You don’t. What you have is a link to a Yale Law library referencing a 1988 statement written up by Aḥmad Yāsīn. Yāsīn was arrested, tried, and sentenced by the Israeli government a year later, initially for life. However, he was released as part of a deal with Jordan, following a failed assassination attempt by Israel aimed at the far-more-moderate Khaled Mashal to reciprocally release the Mossad assassins involved in the murder attempt.
Incidentally, you have to look up the 1988 statement on a Yale Law website, rather than a library or data center located in Gaza, because Hamas is unable to host its own historical records thanks to
They want all of it. No room left for Jews or Israel.
The currently policy of Israel in the West Bank is to expand settlements into Palestinian territory and force Arabs further and further away from the major centers of commerce. The policy of Israel in Gaza has been to kettle the population and starve it into submission. Whatever an elderly Arab movement leader said in 1988, the existence of Hamas as an organization appears to only continue as a measure permitted by the Israeli government to divide Palestinians both politically and geographically. It is to prevent the collective political action of a unified Palestinian Authority in hopes of removing all Arabs from the Palestinian state.
Is singing “America the Beautiful” also a hate crime?
Okay, so after spending literally hours with me about how X is intent vs non-intent of genocide… I give you a demonstration of literally a call to literally and fucking erase Israel off the face of the Earth and suddenly its not a genocidal example of intent?
Good job. You’ve got a few posts to recalibrate or otherwise explain to me how this isn’t genocide and I really don’t care anymore about anything else you’re saying. You have to solve this issue right here, right now. Explain how this isn’t a genocidal goal. Where is Israel’s existence in Hamas’s plan?
Its funny, because I’ve seen old school white nationalist Holocaust deniers say this exact same thing. Any effort to demonstrate the contrary results in blanket denialism - deny the sources, reject the images, insist on conspiracy-theory alternatives.
I have to wonder, if I present you with clear and damning evidence of the IDF conducting mass killings of civilian populations and mass imprisonment with the intention of killing the Arab population, will you accept it at face value or will you find an excuse to dismiss it?
Hamas has no bomber jets. Hamas has no tanks. Hamas has no nuclear weapons. Hamas has no conscript army with years of training and ready access to equipment. Hamas has no prisons or schools or offices within Gaza. Hamas controls none of Gaza’s borders, nor do any of the countries bordering Gaza ally with Hamas. None of Hamas high level leadership can reside within the Gaza district without coming under artillery fire from Israel drones and mortars and bombers. And no one within the district of Gaza can present themselves as members of Hamas without being shot at or bombed by IDF security forces. A member of Hamas cannot lay a hand on the fence between the border of Israel and Gaza without risking extrajudicial killing, as evidenced by the 2018 Great March of Return, which resulted in 223 dead and over 9,000 Palestinians seriously wounded.
Consider the Israeli Samson Option, which proposes the wholesale nuclear annihilation of any country which successfully invades Israeli’s border.
Consider the Israeli Hannibal Directive, which advocates for the killing of Israel’s own population as an alternative to prisoner exchanges with Palestinians. A directive which appears to be consistent with the assassination of three prisoners taken during the October 7th raid, who were killed by Israeli snipers while attempting to flag down support in northern Gaza
Consider the Israeli Dahiya Doctrine, which outlines a strategy of systematic destruction of civilian infrastructure against any country which threatens Israeli border patrols. This strategy was most apparent during the '06 Lebanon War, which resulted in Israel leveling an entire quarter of Beirut.
Consider an entire subpage of Wikipedia dedicated to Massacres committed by Israel
Then tell me again about how Hamas is the real genocidal group.
Are you fucking kidding me? From the River to the Sea. So tell me, according to Hamas, how much land should the Jewish people get under their plan?
Oh, don’t worry. I don’t need you to answer that. I have Hamas’s charter right here. https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp Lets see… which line should I pick out?
Ah right. They want all of it. No room left for Jews or Israel. What of the Israelis?
Oh right. They want to obliterate it. And guess what? this is just in the 2nd paragraph of Hamas’s founding documents.
Is singing “America the Beautiful” also a hate crime?
You don’t. What you have is a link to a Yale Law library referencing a 1988 statement written up by Aḥmad Yāsīn. Yāsīn was arrested, tried, and sentenced by the Israeli government a year later, initially for life. However, he was released as part of a deal with Jordan, following a failed assassination attempt by Israel aimed at the far-more-moderate Khaled Mashal to reciprocally release the Mossad assassins involved in the murder attempt.
Incidentally, you have to look up the 1988 statement on a Yale Law website, rather than a library or data center located in Gaza, because Hamas is unable to host its own historical records thanks to
Furthermore, it should be noted that the current Prime Minister of Israel has been content with using Hamas as leverage against the Palestinian authority for decades. To quote Philidelphia’s favorite son, Benjamin Netanyahu, “Those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.”
The currently policy of Israel in the West Bank is to expand settlements into Palestinian territory and force Arabs further and further away from the major centers of commerce. The policy of Israel in Gaza has been to kettle the population and starve it into submission. Whatever an elderly Arab movement leader said in 1988, the existence of Hamas as an organization appears to only continue as a measure permitted by the Israeli government to divide Palestinians both politically and geographically. It is to prevent the collective political action of a unified Palestinian Authority in hopes of removing all Arabs from the Palestinian state.
Okay, so after spending literally hours with me about how X is intent vs non-intent of genocide… I give you a demonstration of literally a call to literally and fucking erase Israel off the face of the Earth and suddenly its not a genocidal example of intent?
Good job. You’ve got a few posts to recalibrate or otherwise explain to me how this isn’t genocide and I really don’t care anymore about anything else you’re saying. You have to solve this issue right here, right now. Explain how this isn’t a genocidal goal. Where is Israel’s existence in Hamas’s plan?
My guy what are you talking about?
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