• Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.cc
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    10 months ago

    The claims relate to an eight-day operation by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) at the Kamal Adwan Hospital last week, which the military alleges was being used as a command and control center by Hamas.

    Ohh another command and control center, the beating heart of Hamas operation.

    If you guys don’t feel good, be sure to visit your local Hamas command and control center.

    Joke aside, the whole article is disturbing as fuck.

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        10 months ago

        there were no israeli zionists at the time, I’d say just zionists. please correct me if I’m wrong

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          They were Israelis after the war though, and they lived the rest of their lives as Israelis, so it make sense to refer to them as such.

          And y’know they considered themselves Israeli before the state even re-existed.

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      10 months ago

      The comparison with the Nazis doesn’t help anything and just makes the discussion a quagmire of historical misanalogies.There are dozens of other cruel and horrible examples from history to compare with, pick another one that does not specifically trigger Jewish sensibilities.

      Hell, if you absolutely need to use Germany as an example, use what they did in WW1 in Belgium.

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        There are Jewish scholars and activists comparing contemporary treatment of Palestinians by Israel with nazism. Are they allowed to make comparisons that trigger Jewish sensibilities?

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          Did I ban anyone from saying anything? Do what you will. FFS.

          All I’m saying is that by picking that rhetorical terrain, you’re choosing to play the game on Israel’s terms and you open up the door to being accused of antisemitism and then you’re having that discussion. It’s a pointless distraction from what they are actually doing.

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        10 months ago

        Any Government that prevents access to food, medicine and potable water to a population of their people they feel are undesirable, has racially coded check points, and white-only roads absolutely deserves to be compared to Nazi Germany, Apartheid South Africa, Rhodesia, or the Confederate states. That government also deserves to share the same fates as those other governments.

        Never Again means Never Again without any qualifications.

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        10 months ago

        I understand it hurts, but the ethno-state is the common dream of Hitler and Israel. Facts are facts.

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    10 months ago

    I don’t understand why people believe them.

    When Russia bombed civilian churches, apartments, hospitals, and said they were being used as military command centers and such, nobody believed them, it was an obvious lie.

    But when Israel says it the whole world just says “Wow makes perfect sense, good job!”

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    National Post: Director of a Gaza hospital says clinics were used by Hamas fighters: Ahmed Kahlot tells Israeli interrogators he was recruited into the terror group as a lieutenant colonel

    The director of a Gaza hospital admitted to Israeli interrogators that he had been recruited by Hamas to help turn the Strip’s medical centers into military facilities, the Israel Security Agency (Shin Bet) announced on Tuesday.

    In a video released by the Shin Bet, Ahmed Kahlot, director of the Kamal Adwan Hospital in the northern Gaza Strip, said, “I was recruited to Hamas in 2010 at the rank of lieutenant colonel. There are employees in the hospital who are military operatives of Izz ad-Din al-Qassam [Hamas’s “military branch”]—doctors, brothers, paramedics, clerks, staff members.”

    Kahlot added, “They hide in hospitals because they believe that a hospital is a safe place. They will not be harmed if they are inside a hospital.”

    Israel security forces arrested Kahlot on Dec. 12.

    During the interrogation, Kahlot describes how Hamas used hospitals and ambulances to hide operatives, launch military activity, transport members of terror squads and even deliver a kidnapped Israeli soldier.

    “Hamas has offices inside the hospitals. There are places for senior officials, they also brought a kidnapped soldier there. There is a designated place for investigations, internal security and special security. They all have private phone lines inside the hospital,” he said.

    Regarding the kidnapped soldier, Kahlot explained that “Hamas uses private ambulances. It has a different color, and no license plate. It was used to bring the kidnapped soldier and to transfer bodies. It comes and goes and does not take down the wounded.”

    Kahlot told the interrogator: “Once I begged them to take a wounded man to the Indonesian hospital, for healing, for treatment. They refused. Their mission is more important.”

    Hamas’s leaders, he continued, “are cowards. They left us in the field while they hide…. They destroyed us.”

    Palestinian doctors are not trustworthy because many of them are members of the Hamas terrorist organisation.

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      10 months ago

      So wait…are you saying we’re supposed to discard this doctor’s account because he’s a member of Hamas? Wouldn’t that mean then that the evidence you shared is untrustworthy and therefore your entire comment is a self-contradiction?

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      10 months ago

      The subtext of your message under the context of this thread: “Shooting at civilians is ok, actually”. Thank you for further pushing the world into barbarism with this disgusting shit.

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        10 months ago

        The ‘subtext’ of his message is actually pretty clear, no need to make up something yourself…

        Palestinian doctors are not trustworthy because many of them are members of the Hamas terrorist organisation.

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          10 months ago

          So you mean you cannot trust ANY Palestinian doctors? Is that your claim?

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            Nope. but you can’t blindly trust them either, as many of them support or are part of a widely recognized terror organization.

            Israel has very good intelligence agencies, they are the ones that can most likely figure out which ones are trustworthy and which are terrorists.