The worst I have heard was when my husband’s old boss was proudly bragging about how he didn’t even leave work to be with his wife while she was giving birth to their first child.
He honestly believed that was something to be proud of.
We live in Australia too, so it’s not like he had American orphan crushing machine to blame. He was just a horrible piece of shit.
I’m American and the last two lines killed me 😂
How unsupportive. My dad at least took an hour off to drive mum to the hospital.
My wife was just telling me her coworker was bragging about that too, she told him no wonder they got divorced
When I was 18 and my buddy was 17, we went to the beach. He wouldn’t let me put sunscreen on his back because that would make him gay. What if a woman saw?
He ended up with a severly blistered back, horrible, serious burns.
Me, I went up to the cute girls and just said excuse me hehehe… I can’t reach my own back… The end of that part of the story is pretty obvious.
You should have suggested you put sunscreen on each other’s backs at the same time to get it over with quicker.
Good idea. Squirt some sunscreen on one back, then rub balls together until you’re both covered.
Edit: I meant backs, not balls, but I’m leaving it.
One point awarded to autocorrect.
You absolutely meant balls
The OG reach around
Back to back. Back to back.
Doesn’t have quite the same ring to it…
Refusing to use nail polish remover to clean off permanent marker because that’s “for women”. It’s acetone, my dude, acetone.
I don’t even know what that means… Like you got a sharpie mark on you? Permanent marker on a white board? What scenario is that lol
Real men use isopropyl alcohol.
All solvents are gay. That includes water, the gayest of solvents.
I’ve been to Gay pride parades, gay bars and gay clubs. The gayest experience I’ve had in my life was working in the trades with straight men doing everything they can to prove their masculinity at all costs.
These men will use women as mere possessive objects in order to prove to their masculinity towards other men. By oversexualizing all women while at the same time belittling all that their partner does. As if women were merely currency for respect among men.
They hated gays and trans people so much that they would spend an extremely uncomfortable amount of time telling you how much they were “disgusted” by these people.
They hated on any man who who did not possess physical masculine traits. Those traits that they hated? Not being muscular. Not being tall. Not being fat (what???). Having longer hair.
But the gayest thing these guys refused to do was stand up for themselves against unjust authority. They would spend the most all their free time explicitly telling you how much they hate their boss. How stupid their boss is. How much of an asshole their boss is. How they would kick their bosses ass. Just talk an absolute big game.
Then the boss would come around the corner and you’d never see a bunch of grown ass men tuck their dicks between their legs faster than these guys. Their voices raise up a couple pitches and suddenly they are acting as subservient as how they believe their wives should be.
It’s in this unspoken idea of respect for Men in Authority that you see the “gayest” trait in these toxic men. But not in a good gay way. A toxic gay trait that comes from a deep place built on oppression and repression of ones self. Where respect from your fellow man at all costs is the most valuable thing they crave. Where respect from your boss holds even higher value. Where respect from men in higher positions is held at even higher value.
All they care about is to be noticed by other men. That’s kinda gay dude.
The cost of all this effort to gain respect from exclusively other men is their dignity. And they are more than willing to give up their dignity to be noticed by men in positions of authority.
To these guys, questioning or standing up to authority is gay. Standing up for yourself is gay. Demanding to be treated with dignity is gay. They will be the first ones to kick you down for disrespecting authority.
I’ve walked into a club bathroom and saw two guys giving another guy a blowjob. That’s still not as gay as watching “straight” acting men grovel at the feet of boss in any trades.
Ick…
Ugh. Very relateable.
To give you an idea, I’m 2m/6ft6, do weight lifting and I’m not particularly worried about the size of my dick. I may be insecure about many things, but not about my manliness.
Anyway, these kind of insecure men always try to out macho me. It’s so fucking tiring. I’m basically straight (never say never), but I like stuff these kinds of men often find gay, because I’m not an anti-intellectual moron who has the maturity of a 12 year old boy or cares too much about what other people think. It’s like they want to whip out their dicks and measure each other all the time. What kind of manchild cares so much about what other people think, that they can’t listen to classical music, dress nicely, or read a book? As you say, these men are too weak to have opinions of their own or stand-up to authority.
They’re so deeply insecure, it’s fucking sad. Pathetic even. Not that I feel much sympathy for them, especially the older ones who’ve had time to mature, because they inevitably cause you grief. They’re at best annoying, but can be outright dangerous. The whole machismo, kiss the boot, contempt for the weak thing is a toxic cocktail. No surprise who they vote for either, always love to suck the dick of a strong leader who tells them they’re better than someone else.
You know those Harvard implicit association tests? They have one for racism, but they also have one for homophobia. Certainly not without their flaws, but I took one. Turns out I have a bias against straight people. No mystery how that happened, given so many men are toxic.
Holy shit yes, this whole thing right here.
The trade fields are absolutely insanely full of men telling each other how manly they are and how not gay they are with the “notice me” mode that it’s kinda ‘dude… if you want guys to hit on you… you’re going about it all wrong.’
That reminds me of this Ron White joke
Don’t forget anything longer than a military buzzcut. Gayyyyyyy
Kudos for being able to say what you did, while using gay as a “derogatory” word, and not fucking it up in a way that would lead an uncharitable interpretation of what you said.
That being said, I absolutely agree with you, and the most homophobic shit I’ve ever heard came from guys who were so insecure about their sexuality, in a way that signalled to virtually everyone who was secure, that there was something about themselves they didn’t want to accept.
Sounds like a great bunch(!)
Not sure how it relates to “gayness” though.
The abject sycophancy to anyone in a position of authority is what amuses me the most about these “tough guys.”
I think it’s important to call most of these stories what they are. They’re not toxic masculinity, they’re homophobia, in the most literal sense of the word.
Edited for clarity
Who are you responding to?
The thread in general. After reading a bunch of the stories, it occurred to me that they are all homophobic. Men engaging in certain behaviors, or avoiding behaviors and activities to avoid being perceived as gay are homophobic. You make a good point though, I edited my response to make it more clear.
I think it’s very much related. Avoid being percieved as gay could be related to gender as well as the set of stereotypical behaviours that are associated with gays. And it could be both.
I think it’s that doing something that’s conceived as “feminine” being gay - say for example caring for your looks. I think the homophobia (and sexism) is an afterthought and the root is toxic masculinity
being attracted to a man is obviously a feminine trait. and we hate everything feminine, did i tell you i hate the woman i confessed my love to and have been married to for 30 years?
/s
“I bet you hold her hand, and tell her you love her. F****t!”
Yeah well let’s be honest a lot of toxic masculinity traits are deeply rooted in homophobia and sexism…
You’d think someone obsessed with masculinity would realize there’s nothing manlier than two dudes fucking.
Or projection.
The venn diagram of toxic masculinity and homophobia is pretty much a circle.
Edit: fixing my dumbass phone’s autocorrect.
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Tell his wife that he loved her, because love is “gay” and “feminine”
Firstly, audibly expressing your heterosexuality isn’t gay.
Secondly, there is nothing feminine about 2 guys loving each other, they are both guys so it’s the most masculine sexual/romantic pairing.To be fair, having sex with women is pretty gay. They’re girly, weak and smell nice.
Nothing more masculine than two smelly men fucking each other in the arse. Dominating this guy who’s just as strong if not stronger than you, then enduring the pain of Big Jim’s rod penetrating you, because you’re a manly man who’s made of tougher stuff.
Fucking women is gay because women like men and liking men is gay
enduring the pain of Big Jim’s rod penetrating you,
Fellas, is it gay to use lube for anal?
You’re not a true man until you sand it up.
You know what they say: There is nothing more manly than gay sex.
Lmao literally “fellas, is it gay to love a woman?”
Yeah, working in a factory was full of the bullshit like this, but this was the weirdest example. Things that boiled down to “No, I can wear less protective equipment than you!” were very common.
Even if you take the “gay argument” out of things, why would you let a group of 4 divorced guys give you relationship advice?
Knew a dude in high school that claimed he didn’t masturbate because touching a dick, even his own, was gay.
We used to ask him how he aimed when he pissed.
He’s actually pretty smart. If he touched it when he was under 16 he could’ve been arrested for child molestation.
Sat down to pee so he wouldn’t have to touch it
Guy I know won’t wash his asshole when showering cause touching an asshole is gay, of course.
Meanwhile he’ll moon me sometimes as a joke. People are strange
Knew a guy who wouldn’t wipe his ass because he thought it was gay, he took a shower every time he shat at home and used the sprayer head to blast it off. There were brown flecks on his shower walls. If he had to shit while he was out, he would just marinate in his butt butter until he got home.
Refusing to wear a sweater, jacket, hat, or gloves when it’s bitterly cold out. They claimed that “real men endure the cold” and tried to say that wearing warm clothes to stay warm makes you “Womanly”.
Nothing more manly than hypothermia and frostbite am I right guys? /s
Everyone knows it’s the opposite, mans not hot
Sorry, can you translate that whole video into English please?
2 plus 2 is 4 minus one thats 3 quick maffs
That’s why men die younger
Being too ashamed to tell people I couldn’t swim as a kid in situations that seriously could have ended in me drowning.
Reminds me of this macho guy
It was almost that absurd.
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One time I heard a guy say he wasn’t gonna push a shopping cart cause it was “f***y”. Never understood that. He looked like a real doofus pulling it by the front.
Funny? Funky? Frisky? Feisty? Frosty? What mystery do you hide behind these asterisks?!
My guess would be “faggy”.
Dude couldn’t type it once and you ended up typing it twice. That’s hilarious.
(And yes, I’m a card-carrying gay fag queer homosexual)
We have cards now?
Did you not get on the mailing list?
Yes as soon as someone figures out their sexuality they have to apply for a government ID declaring their sexuality, it’s like a driver’s license but it’s for sex. A sexuality license. That’s where they formally declare their pronouns too.
Like a bundle of sticks! Like a pack of ciggies!
My guess would be “faggy”.
I know, I know, but I really don’t like to use that word even in context. It’s the bad word for gay that also means bundle of sticks… y.
I wish i didn’t know.
My guess would be “agg”
I worked in retail for 8 years and I occasionally pull from the front too out of habit. It gives you more notice with people when approaching aisles. I don’t see the connection to it being more manly though.
Besides physical violence, the most absurd thing I’ve seen was a man who bought a car after his wife pleaded not to because it would bankrupt them. He didn’t like that she was “telling him what to do.” They had two perfectly fine vehicles btw.
Bankruptcy is so alpha male
Was an old car salesman tactic to basically tell guys they weren’t man enough to risk something they could barely afford.
Still is. Attach emotion to a sales pitch and if the buyer is dumb enough to play into it, you’ll sell every time.
Weird, I know a couple who did exactly this about 13 months ago. They’re divorced now. Unfortunately they spawned a child who will now have to deal with two parents who hate each other and can’t stop fighting in front of them at every meeting.
All from some kind of weird macho trip fuelled by insecurity.
That’s how the salesman guy got Homer to buy the Mister Plow truck lol
The dangers of telling your man what to do!
Once worked with a guy who refused to wash dishes, said that is a woman’s responsibility. He only uses paper plates and plastic utensils.
I never asked him if he cooked but kind of figure it’d the be same answer LOL.
That is so bizarre. Cooking and cleaning aren’t women’s responsibilities, they are adult responsibilities.
What separates things out is the degree of implementation.
A reasonable man will slap together a simple and hearty yet healthy meal with 2-3 separate items on a plate. A lot of women will jack that shit up to 11 and make it a 3-course meal.
A reasonable man will clean until things are clean to the needs of the situation. If it’s a plate, it’s until it is clean enough to safely eat off of. If it’s a barn floor, clearly those standards are a lot lower; be happy if you see a broom come out. A lot of women will insist on surgical-room cleanliness regardless of the location.
A man should never have any reluctance to cooking and cleaning. It’s called basic adulting. What we need to watch out for is to align our efforts to the needs and conditions of the situation. We men are here to be practical.
Folks, we are witnessing toxic masculinity live in this thread, look at the way this toxic male masterfully injects his internalized misogyny into a comment that sounds reasonable at first but quickly devolves into more gender stereotypes, portrayals of woman as unreasonable, impractical, and irrational. Look at how he tacitly emasculates any man who likes to cook for the joy of cooking or clean things beyond a bare minimum. What a rare opportunity to witness the toxic male engaging in such iconic behavior, while unaware of it’s surroundings.
This is parody, right?
No, he actually believes that men can be “reasonable” and “practical” as opposed to women, who typically do not “align [their] efforts to the needs and conditions of the situation.”
You really should have stopped after the first paragraph it just devolved from there on.
Right?! I started to up vote, then I saw the current score, kept reading, and found out why
You really should have stopped after the first paragraph it just devolved from there on.
Ah, yes. Because real-world experience is just so passé.
Sorry for intruding into your ideology with facts and reality.
We men are here to be practical.
So as the non-toxic arbiter of facts and reality, what exactly are women here for?
to be pragernant.
Preganté
what exactly are women here for?
Why TF would I have any say in that? I’m a man, not a woman. I just observe how they behave and act, and take note of common trends and broad patterns.
Since you’re specifying that men are here to be practical, you’re saying that woman are not practical:
What we need to watch out for is to align our efforts to the needs and conditions of the situation.
Do you see why that’s a toxic attitude to have?
Since you’re specifying that men are here to be practical, you’re saying that woman are not practical
You are hitting a surprisingly large number of logical fallacies with that statement. Nowhere did I say anything to that, I strongly suggest checking your own biases for that source.
Do you see why that’s a toxic attitude to have?
Of course that’s a toxicity that has been externally imposed on men. Chris Rock was absolutely correct with his quote - a man who isn’t providing something of value is seen as useless. So in order to avoid going down “unproductive” paths that provide no value or utility to our betters, men have to always be providing value; to not waste time and energy on things that aren’t useful.
You see this everywhere in Nature, where males provide value through demonstrations of genetic fitness via gaudy displays that require effort and internal resources to pull off. Without those displays of fitness, they have absolutely no value and the females utterly ignore them.
Oh god that’s funny. What’s my ideology then? I wasn’t aware that basic human observation was ideology now.
I think the problem you have is the people you hang out with are awful if that’s your world view based on observed reality.
Perhaps you should join a support group or something.
You are a fucking embarassment to all men.
Bruh
Would have been a good answer if you stopped after word #13.
By my count it’s word 14. After the first paragraph, anyway.
Oh yes, I’d contracted “That is” in my brain
I think your point applies more to people rather than just men or women.
People have different standards for cleanliness.
I’ve come across men who are need-freaks and women who are slobs.
Don’t you think that this “men are here to be practical” theory has some gaps? Like there are plenty of men who do the things that you describe as unnecessary
- What if you just likes cooking or fancy meals?
- What if your cleanliness standards are just higher?
I’m not saying that barns should be sweeped or that everyone should cook fancy meals. But to say that people who do do that are (as you seem to be implying) overdoing it, or impractical is a bit unfair I think. I am also quite practical but still respect that others have higher standards or just “want things their way” which should be at least a little relatable to everyone.
Wouldn’t use a straw in their drink because he didn’t like the idea of it passing through his lips.
More popsicles for the rest of us
Wear a covid mask. Sounds simple, but the issue was everywhere. You could say it was history’s most destructive example of toxic masculinity, especially when the protests kicked off and people were (and still do) denying any damage had been occurring due to that.
I made a big deal when it happened because I for one hate dress codes, yet dress codes were and still are somehow fine and something you’re not allowed to argue against, all the while something that was actually practical as well as small was like peoples’ kryptonite, so I remain in a lowkey boycott over dress codes if the business was apathetic to antiviral measures.
My father once chose course of intravenous therapy over intramuscular injections because apparently exposing your butt to a nurse is not manly enough
I just tell them to get cheeky wit it. If they watch Brit TV they laugh. If not they grumble and do it anyway. If they are a very young and new employee they don’t get it. If they totally get it I get statements I don’t have comebacks for.
Someday said person gets a cath installed. Then what?
