• Cowbee@lemm.ee
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    11 months ago

    Accelerationism works both ways, I suppose, but there legitimately are fascists in the republican party.

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      11 months ago

      but there legitimately are fascists in the republican party.

      Doesn’t matter. The actual fascists doesn’t matter. The thing to be concerned about isn’t the fascists themselves - what matters is the liberals that will hand power to the fascists if their precious status quo is threatened enough.

      The thing about fascists that nobody except leftists seem to understand is that fascists serve a very distinct purpose in the classical liberal nation-state - they don’t exist in a vacuum as some kind of “aberration”. Fascism cannot exist without threatened capitalists funding them. Fascism cannot exist without liberals handing power to them to maintain their precious “Law & Order.”

      There is no such thing as “grass-roots fascism” - it’s all coming from above.

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        11 months ago

        It makes sense, but I think the downvotes are from people feeling like this is victim blaming as opposed to recognizing what you’re actually saying.

        It’s not Johnny Democrat going to the polls that’s allowing fascists to take power, it’s Joe Manchin protecting his own wealth by “allowing” a “friendly fascist” to take power, or pass a bill, if it means stopping a Bernie Sanders from taking office or stopping a popular bill that would cost him potential profit. Unless I’m the one who’s misunderstanding lol

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          11 months ago

          The downvotes are from reasonable people who understand that this kind of cynicism is privileged teenager nonsense.

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          11 months ago

          Unless I’m the one who’s misunderstanding lol

          No, you’re not. If voting could undo fascism it wouldn’t exist. If the wants of the majority of people in the US actually counted the US would be a place we couldn’t even imagine in this reality - and so would the rest of the world.

          downvotes are from people

          I got the exact same response in 2016 as well… even leftists who should have known better hysterically accused me of “accelerationsim” for stating that a Trump presidency would energize the left - which it did (mysteriously, without any “accelerationism” on my part at all).

          I don’t blame them… people are grasping at straws. It was the same in 2016.

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            11 months ago

            yes, we could have preserved basic human rights for women by just voting for them directly when we had the chance, but it’s much more entertaining for me if a bunch of people suffer needlessly to achieve the same goal

            How fucking privileged can you be? This isn’t a fucking game. Grow the fuck up.

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              11 months ago

              for women by just voting for them directly

              Are you talking about a certain neocolonialist prodigy of notorious mass-murderer Henry Kissinger, perhaps?

              Do tell, liberal - how many lives in the 3rd world would you sacrifice for your venal and hollow “girlboss” fake-feminism?

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                My farts smell better when they are uncorrupted by any semblance of nuance or pragmatism.

                Yes, we all understand that you’ve smugly absolved yourself from the burden of real statecraft by being smarter than everyone, but I assure you that plenty of vulnerable people still think your privileged shit stinks like hell.

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        11 months ago

        Yes it does matter; millions of people will die if Trump wins a second term. Don’t lie to our face by claiming it doesn’t matter.

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          millions of people will die if Trump wins a second term.

          Probably. And if the US political establishment actually manages to dig out a competent fascist, many, many more than that will die or have their lives destroyed (which has never been an unusual thing in the US at all - or anywhere the US does “foreign policy”).

          Your problem isn’t Trump. There’s a lot more (and much viler) where he came from. Your problem is the political establishment that allows his existence - will they be allowing you to vote on that any time soon?

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          Trump has plainly stated he will destroy anyone who doesn’t cast a vote for him this time around. If that isn’t frightening, you need to check your pulse.

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        11 months ago

        “the actual fascists don’t matter” …There’s no way you just typed that in good faith.