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    Ive seen 2, max.

    If this is your current state of twitch, its because you keep clicking on boobi. Quit clicking on boobi if you dont want to be seeing boobi.

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    I don’t get some of these comments. You can want to avoid random nudity without bring a prude or jealous.

    I’d argue that a LOT of people are not interested in seeing 99.9% of the population naked, and there should be nothing wrong with that. I don’t care what they look like. Sometimes people just don’t want to look at rectums.

    The mindset of “you have to be happy about unexpectedly seeing a stranger naked or you’re a prude” also doesn’t sit right with me.

    I would have just stopped using twitch, personally.

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      It’s the internet post-2014. If you have simply never heard of someone’s particular flavour of BDSM kink before, they take it like you’re attacking them.

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      Maybe growing up in a warm, costal area makes it more common, but young women just wear similar outfits to most feminine streamers where I’m from. They usually aren’t making a statement about it, it’s just hot outside and they don’t mind showing off. It’s normal.

      Some streamers do embody the meme. Some focus cameras on their ass. However, feminine streamers aren’t the majority, and most of them aren’t even that sexual. On a whole, men have more viewers, with almost every top streamer being male.

      Part of why the discourse around sexual streamers seems so prudish is that they don’t dominate on twitch. There are a few popular ones, but women don’t even dominate the site; there’s just more of them than in the past. Most feminine streamers aren’t sexual. People see what they want to see.

      The only male streamer ever suspended for showing his bare chest was crossdresser. Masculinity is normalized, so femininity is othered.

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        Don’t get me wrong, I’m not about telling other people how to dress or what to wear. Not at all.

        To be honest with you, I don’t really go on twitch. When I made my comment, I had some of my earlier experiences with lemmy on my mind. I just turned off nsfw in my app settings though.

        My main reasoning was so that certain things didn’t show up when I was showing something else to family, or if a coworker saw my phone over my shoulder. There are some jobs where you really don’t want your boss to see certain things, but most other forms of slacking off are ok.

        For me, it wasn’t even about anyone’s chest. It was not wanting furry porn haha. They really should have thought about this before instating it.

        Now people will be upset regardless of what they do.

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        dude, i’m just saying that there other places for noon-gaming stuff and those people are invading a site that was born for videogames. but then, i’m not using twitch for quite a while now since the homepage was taken over by IRL streams. I just opened twitch.tv (not logged in) a minute ago and in the homepage there’s a dude sleeping (with the name of the stream “i’m only sleeping” wtf??), one deejay, someone cooking and a saxophonist…

        that’s 4 streams out of 8 in the homepage that have nothing to do with gaming.

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          Non gaming streams have their own categories, and they certainly add value. Everyone loved the Bob Ross stream when it started, but now there’s something wrong with cooking or musicians? Some people who come for the sax player might get into games. Twitch has problems, but adding variety to their streaming platform isn’t one of them.

          There aren’t less gamers on twitch because of non gamers. I don’t even think game streams have suffered much as a whole.

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    I’ll never understand how Twitch became as big as a thing as it is.

    "So you’re telling me that instead of watching a fifteen minutenicely edited video of content I can watch for hours of a greasy man in a tank top play a game for four hours and get fifteen minutes of good content in the time span? "(Literally) “Take my money!”

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      A stream is a very different format for content, but that doesn’t necessarily make it worse - only different.

      1. As streams are live, anything could happen, so there’s the possibility for unexpected excitement and being a part of that as it happens
      2. Live chat can make a stream feel social and connected with other viewers
      3. Streams give you the ability to speak to the streamer and change the outcome of the stream

      I think that the way people consume content has also changed. A lot of people watch streams “in the background” just as noise while they do other things, not in a way where they are giving the stream their 100% focus in the way you would with a short and well-edited video.

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        This is 100% me, I just commented elsewhere a similar thing, for me I love that the streams tend to be long. I like having things playing for long periods at a time so having to stop and find a new video every 10 minutes is maddening especially if I’m at work and it’s more like background noise about a topic/game I enjoy.

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      From my view, I enjoy watching Twitch for two main reasons:

      1. For the same reason I like watching live sports rather than a 15 minute cut of highlights - the feeling of experiencing events in real time, the payoff of seeing a big play unfold after all the anticipation leading up to it, watching strategies and counter-strategies unfold in real time, that kind of stuff.

      2. For the same reason I like watching video essays, stand-up comedy, interview shows, podcasts, or other media where one particular person is the focus - that person is entertaining to me. They have a personality I vibe with, they’re funny, they have an interesting perspective, etc.

      To a lesser extent, it’s also nice background noise. I can throw a stream on at the beginning of my workday and not have to fiddle with it until I’m done with work, because it’s a constant, reliable source of background noise.

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      What makes sense is two things:

      1. You can ask questions about the game and get a direct answer, often including someone showing you exactly the thing in the game you asked about.

      2. Some streams are genuinely entertaining, such as GTA RP streams. These people mostly aren’t slobbering fat guys (though some are) but are actually working and acting the entire time.

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      As a genXer I don’t get it either. The model at the moment referenced here makes much more sense to me at least. Not understanding twitch is a real marker of shifts in generational mindsets. I think I understand tech, but I wouldnt invest in tech sectors as I clearly don’t have the instinct for it anymore.

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        If my kids were unmonitored, they’d probably watch game streamers all day, every day.

        I rationalize it like watching sports, but I don’t really understand that either.

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          When you were younger did you ever watch a sibling or a friend play a game? Same vibe, but it’s a streamer you find enjoyable or entertaining.

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            When you were younger did you ever watch a sibling or a friend play a game?

            My attention wanders if I’m not playing.

            I totally understand that people might enjoy it, however. It just isn’t for me.

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            We fought because we both wanted to play. My father ended up buying two game systems.

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            I always did this. I let my friends play and I watched. Dunno why really. I still find it extremely hard to play single player games (or solo multiplayer), I just get bored. I need to either watch or play with a friend.

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      Watching someone play video games is straight up younger sibling energy. I don’t get it at all, but I was the older brother.

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      I’ll never understand how Twitch became as big as a thing as it is.

      You already answered that in your comment.

      You want to watch videos, not livestreams. Of course a video will be better at being, you know, a video (nicely edited, in short format, etc). A livestream is different for many reasons, none of which interests you apparently.

      Nothing wrong with that tbh. It’s just not for you.

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      Never understood concert goers.

      So you’re telling me that instead of listening to 4 minutes of edited music you can watch an old fart on stage for four hours?

      (Not even a twitch head by the way)

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    The prude subcurrent on Lemmy is apparently massive. You honestly are being hardly inconvenienced by boob streams and yet it deserves and inordinate amount of complaining. On a real impact basis, you are far more impacted by video games you aren’t interested in than boob streamers.

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    Never seen these cam girls everyone complains about on my twitch feed. I don’t seek that stuff out though either. You can also filter out content in settings, but I’ve never had to. This “problem” seems like a non issue.

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      If you click “I want to watch mature content” on any profanity stream such as Soda or Summit your feed magically starts filling up with titty streamers.

      The notion that you need to seek them out first is false.

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        Didn’t even know that existed. Guess I’d have to seek it out, or get into discussion on lemmy. Is see profanity on chat. I’ve never seen these girls.

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    Well, on Twitch and YouTube and Reddit, I’m settled.

    On Twitch, I never visit front-page. I follow the channels I follow.

    On YouTube, I watch the subscribed channels (and recommend videos. If good, I follow).

    Reddit, I don’t visit All or Popular. I have the subreddits I wanna follow.

    On Lemmy, it’s so new that I haven’t found all the places, so I go to All on Local and see what’s up - like I do now.

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    There’s still tons of video game streamers. In fact, even if 10k titty streamers join the site, that doesn’t push even a single video game streamer out.

    There’s a market for both things, and neither thing is eating the audience of the other.

    This is all just stupid neo-puritanical pearl clutching.

    A woman showing her tits on twitch isn’t going to hurt you, or anyone else.

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      You know, I don’t get offended or anything. But it’s impossible to mute / block streamers, and there are some particularly annoying offenders which I just don’t want to see when I open twitch. Just give me the option to filter that out and I won’t complain again.

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        This reminds me of when I used TOR to check my Facebook account after so many years. It was constantly throwing random almost-explicit-but-definitely NSFW pages at me.

        "Where did these come from? Did I accidentally subscribe at some point? Oh they all say “suggested for you.”

        Can you turn off “suggested for you”? Lol no. That’s how they force ads on you.

        My findings concluded as expected: All the people I knew in highschool are living their dream lives somehow, my grandma’s still into weird rightoid conspiracies, and FB is a dogpoo platform I don’t understand how anybody still uses lol.

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        There’s a block functionality that any user can use and iirc if you block a streamer they will be filtered out from your recommends/etc

        Helps to clean things up if you wanna hide the usuals you aren’t a fan of

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      For years, Twitch’s “Just Chatting” section has basically been podcasts, Reaction content where streamers play a youtube and go take a shit, and (generally female presenting) streamers in various states of undress. You may have heard of “the hot tub meta” which involved putting on a skimpy bikini.

      This has resulted in some pretty awkward front pages where it can look like you are looking out the window in a beach town or left a PG-13 movie on. Because, you know, bikinis.

      This came to a head semi-recently when “the topless meta” became a thing where (generally) female (presenting) streamers would put on a tube top, position the camera like they are doing a face stream in the early 2010s, and make people think they are actually topless. So obviously a bunch of the most generic white guys with man buns on the planet (and Kai “Trick guests and other streamers into being raped by my violent rapist buddy” Cenat) lost their shit and competed to go viral with their Reaction content to putting something tamer than what TBS shows on daytime television when they play Austin Powers on the screen.

      So Twitch/Amazon actually made a good decision for the first time in years by allowing artistic nudity and sexualized content so long as streamers checked a box that would add content warnings and take them off the front page. Which led to a race to promote OF/Fansly content by the streamers interested in that and to show how sexualized content is destroying the white man by the usual suspects. And Twitch, rather than try to moderate this, rolled it back.

      Because, as OP demonstrates, there is this completely asinine “theory” that bikini streamers are ruining and taking over twitch. And, while I am not a fan and wish we had the content warning policy, they really aren’t. The top 100 streamers by almost any metric are almost universally dudes (many in tanktops because they hit the gym and male nipples aren’t scary) with the few female streamers being people like Pokimane or QTCinderella who actively do not do this kind of content.

      But just look at people like andrew tate and like half of kick. There is a lot of money in pushing incel content and hate.

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            Yeah. After watching Charlanahzard’s video I went right to Twitch to the Just Chatting section and I saw that exact thumbnail on a video. It was playing old videos but it was just so absolutely perfect.

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        I agree that 95% of the reason is just men being uncomfortable with women having success in “their” space when it involves their sexuality, but I can also sympathize with being unable to find a mid-sized chill stream to watch because so many of them are half-nude ASMR streams or body painting. It’s like how YouTube has so much trashy corporate garbage protmoted in its algorithm, it’s just exhausting to wade through sometimes.

        The way incentives are currently set up on both sites just happen to prioritize those types of content though, so it’s pointless to get mad at the creators as if they’re doing something wrong. Twitch is still a step above YouTube in this aspect as well, since at least you can’t AI generate trash content that gets uploaded 100+ times daily on a livestream. You’re at least getting real people.

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          I just loaded up the front page of twitch.

          I see two streams where the face cam looks like it is a major part of the stream and I am pretty sure that was just “let’s make a thumbnail”. One workout stream which was a pretty standard gym attire. The only risque thing I found was one “Bodypaint Xmas (heart emoticon) !socials” and said body paint was good enough that I genuinely had to do a triple take to figure out she was not wearing a shirt. Oh, and a sumo wrestling channel that I followed because holy shit that is awesome.

          Like most things: Your algorithm based recommendations mostly say a lot about you. Assuming you actually have a front page that looks like you left TBS on all day: Maybe stop watching the titty streams if you don’t want to see more titty streams?

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          This is exactly it. Insecure CHUDS hate that female sexuality has power over them so they seek to assert cultural control over it. It’s the same reason repressed assholes all over the world want to tell women what to wear and how to act.

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            Twitch is no longer a gaming only platform. It went full circle back to being an everything streaming site. People chat, people draw, people code, people make stuff with their hands. It’s been that way for awhile.

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            A lot of the most popular streamers regularly have long gaps with the camera pointing at three empty chair so don’t act like having a brief break is crime of the century, Sips is away for about fifteen minutes an hour making tea or whatever he does - and that’s only real streamers, someone like xqc will watch an entire someone else’s content while out the room then come in and eat silently while he watches another whole someone else’s content.

            I know a lot of people here will never be able to accept it but a lot of the bikini streamers are actually really interesting conversationalists too, like she’s not someone I watch often but amouranth ripping the trolls can genuinely be the funniest thing I see in a day - she and many others are generally interesting, intelligent, and insightful – and no before people imply it just because they have boobs doesn’t mean they can’t be smart.

            Compared to Charlie, xqc, and most the popular streamers they put a lot more effort into their streams. Depending who you watch and what your tastes are they can make great background streams, I’ve discovered a lot of great music certainly more than any local radio station.

            It’s funny to me seeing people making a show of saying they’d never watch such content then acting like they know exactly what it’s like - what they mean is they assume anything with an attractive woman is terrible because attractive women are nothing but dumb sex objects.

            If you want Charlie to be able to tell dirty jokes, make god slap, talk about wild internet drama, and play violent video games without getting censored then don’t side with the over boiled morality police, support the troops on the vanguard in the struggle for artistic liberty – the bikini hulahoop girls are fighting for your freedom.

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      They recently made a post saying sexual dancing would be allowed on the platform but then changed their minds after being roasted for it.

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    Just a reminder that Twitch only shows you lots of booby streams if that’s what you’ve been clicking on. Much like Tik Tok and Instagram.

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      Nope, it also recommends streams based on what other people watch from the channels you’re following, it’s not only based on your viewing data. Other aggregates like generally what’s popular might get thrown into the mix as well.

      To test this create a fresh account, follow Asmongold & let his streams run for a while, after some time the recommendations are going to be full of booby streams.

      It’s kind of a running joke at this point that if you watch him you’re going to get booby stream recommendations because his viewers are degens.

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        That’s why! Once in a while I watch one of his streams for a bit when he’s playing something new. Every single time I watch, I come back a day or two later and I have booby streamers in my suggestions. I’m not even remotely interested bc gay. I always have to remove the suggestion but it’s a losing battle. They come back. You’d think twitch would actually cater to only what you want to see.

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      I haven’t used twitch for years, and have only used it for esports streams back when I did use it. I’ve never watched a booby stream.

      I just reinstalled the app, logged in for the first time in years, and my top recommended stream is called “2 GIRLS 1 SHOWER JUMPING JACKS” and has a topless girl in the shower painting white boxes on her arm. The game category is listed as “art”.

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      I haven’t used twitch for years, and have only used it for esports streams back when I did use it. I’ve never watched a booby stream.

      I just reinstalled the app, logged in for the first time in years, and my top recommended stream is called “2 GIRLS 1 SHOWER” and has a topless girl with a white bar over her boobs. The game category is listed as “art”.

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    This makes me feel disappointed. I still remember when I discovered twitch years ago an thought “a whole site for livestreams of people playing videogames? That is so cool!”. Nothing lasts forever I guess …

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      Without intentional effort to prevent it, every platform eventually becomes some level of this.

      Youtube: remember when they had to scrap “reply” videos because they were all borderline NSFW spam?

      Onlyfans: was originally intended to be a platform for fans of fashion, idols, etc. I guess they just embraced it since then.

      Tumblr: banned NSFW content because they thought they were becoming a porn site and didn’t want to moderate that.

      Reddit: Segregated it and relies on community moderation, because otherwise it’s like half of the front page.

      Twitter: it’s still all over, under most popular posts. I don’t know if they moderate it out or not.

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            Unless it was just urban legend, VHS supposedly won out over Betamax because there was more porn available. It was the first “killer app” and helped make early rental stores profitable.

            And similar things happened with all forms of the internet: Gopher, BBS (though maybe less so, it was before my time and so bandwidth limited), Hotline, the original cam girls and blogs.

            It’s just porn, all the way down. That’s why it’s called the oldest profession.

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          Human beings like sex. Any sufficiently large platform will naturally trend toward it if possible.

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        Reddit: intentionally curating the internet’s biggest high school to onlyfans content pipeline.

        FTFY. I am genuinely shocked they haven’t been called out for this yet.

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            Reddit allows people as young as 13 to sign up. It is also one of the biggest sites for OF marketing on the Internet, and the site itself is probably at least 20-30% porn depending on how you measure it. This isn’t even some hypothetical thing, you can go see people with 5 year old reddit accounts making posts like “now that I’m 18 I can finally show you my butthole.”

            To be clear here my crusade is not against porn on Reddit, it’s against children on Reddit, and not because I care about guarding their virtue or anything, but originally because I thought reddit was better before it got infested with teenagers, and now because I want to see the site burn, so this seems like a good string to pull.