• DarkGamer@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    It’s a tough time to be the Biden administration, they’re trying to support our allies and retain international credibility while dealing with significant numbers of angry voters who are trying to bind Israel’s hands before they can achieve meaningful military objectives to keep themselves safe. This will end when Hamas is deposed and the threat of future attacks is mitigated, which could happen immediately if they were so inclined:

    “There’s a gap between the intent and the results, and that’s the gap that we’re trying to make sure is closed,” Blinken said. “Look, this could be over tomorrow. This could be over tomorrow. If Hamas got out of the way of civilians instead of hiding behind them, if it put down its weapons, if it surrendered.”
    The “entire world” should put pressure on Hamas “to do just that,” Blinken said. “That would stop this tomorrow. But in the absence of that, Israel has to take steps not only to defend itself against the ongoing attacks from Hamas, but against Hamas’s stated intent to repeat Oct. 7 again and again if given the opportunity.”

    I totally agree with him. It’s sad when I see more people on the left angry at Israel for responding to being attacked than at Hamas for instigating, hiding among civilians, and prolonging the conflict, causing this terrible yet predictable situation.

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      You think it’s sad you see more people concerned by genocide over terrorism?

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            So you think they are okay with genocide, despite their history, but just not very good at it? 🙄

            They could have just fire bombed Gaza like Dresden, but instead they built a sophisticated AI to generate legal military targets, and until recently would warn people of strikes ahead of time so they could leave.

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              Gazans have nowhere left to go. The state of Israel are the most incompetent military operators of all time.

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              Hey look you did the thing I just was mentioning…

              I noticed the zionists seem to like saying that gaza isn’t being carpet bombed and such so how do you explain :

              “Dresden, Hamburg, Cologne — some of the world’s heaviest-ever bombings are remembered by their place names,” said Robert Pape, a US military historian and author of Bombing to Win, a landmark survey of 20th century bombing campaigns. “Gaza will also go down as a place name denoting one of history’s heaviest conventional bombing campaigns.” from the financial times (non paywalled no excuses link https://archive.ph/DSZ1b/ )

              They even have pretty graphs showing how it is worse.

              Oh and since you seem to think TIME is an issue for me tell me how fast was the WW2 bombing vs everything since Oct 7??

              Nevermind I’ll just tell you since your propaganda addled brain (yea that’s an insult you nazi wannabe) will try to block it out. “By contrast, over the space of two years, between 1943 and 1945, the Allied bombing of 61 major German cities razed an estimated 50 per cent of their urban areas, according to Pape.”

              Odd how these things seem bad even in the light of history, maybe Israel can get all the way to # 1 on the charts!!!

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                I noticed the guy/girl you are responding to almost never write back when presented with evidence. Just making sweeping statements and fucking off.

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                  I noticed that the only posts you make on lemmy are related to the Israel/Palestine conflict. Just making emotional outbursts and asking rhetorical questions which can’t be countered logically when confronted and fucking off.

                  I’d bet good money you’re not the only bot here too. Too bad I actually have a life/ a job to get to. Would’ve been interesting seeing how infested lemmy is.

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                    Well, I am emotionally invested in it. I’m Palestinian.

                    Btw I think, if anything, I use the same tactics back at some idiots and I guess they don’t like it. Boo fucking hoo. This is the time to be angry. There’s a genocide in making.

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              They could have just fire bombed Gaza like Dresden, but instead they built a sophisticated AI to generate legal military targets,

              As someone who works with AI on a professional level (data scientist/ML engineer) I want to say from all my heart: fuck your stupidity.

              Oh yeah the AI surely explains why 30+ members of the same family die a single bombing and why Israel has wiped entire families from existence.

              You are such a sad genocide denier. You ARE just as bad as holocaust deniers, maybe even worse since you are denying a genocide now underway, a genocide we can stop.

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          Do you deny Israel’s genocide against Palestinians?

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          The current ratio for collateral “damage”, as you called it, is 2-1. Are they missing and shooting terrorists by mistake?

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      I’m honestly not sure we can truly say that Hamas ‘instigated’ this situation in good faith, as this is merely the most recent flare-up in a long history of atrocities that goes both ways. That doesn’t excuse what Hamas has done either, but I also wouldn’t consider shelling civilian buildings to be a particularly defensive action.

      People aren’t trying to ‘bind Israel’s hands before they can achieve meaningful military objectives’ they’re trying to bind Israel’s hands before they can commit more atrocities. These atrocities are being actively supported by US taxpayer dollars, and the sentiment among voters (at least the ones I know) is that US support means that we have blood on our hands by association. That’s not something I’m willing to support, and voters shouldn’t feel bad for not supporting it either.

      Nothing about this mass casualty event should be considered a foregone conclusion. All we can do is try and stop this cycle of violence from being perpetuated.

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        Causing, “the most recent flare-up,” is instigating as it regards to this specific conflict.

        I also wouldn’t consider shelling civilian buildings to be a particularly defensive action.

        IDF claims they level buildings used by Hamas, however there are anonymous accounts that say that can mean any connection no matter how slight will suffice; a Hamas member living in their family apartment might lead to the entire building being leveled. This might make it technically a legal military target, but there’s legitimate criticism to be made of such strategies. I suspect Israel is hitting Gaza hard while they still can to create a buffer zone and/or to discourage future attacks.

        People aren’t trying to ‘bind Israel’s hands before they can achieve meaningful military objectives’ they’re trying to bind Israel’s hands before they can commit more atrocities.

        This invasion and all the destruction will have all been for naught if they do not take out Hamas before they leave, or at very least change the situation in a way that denies intifada groups the ability to launch future attacks. If they blow up infrastructure and leave them in charge, it’s a half-measure, and just a matter of time before the next attack. It would be Pyrrhic victory for Hamas.

        the sentiment among voters (at least the ones I know) is that US support means that we have blood on our hands by association. That’s not something I’m willing to support, and voters shouldn’t feel bad for not supporting it either.

        Yes, sadly I believe the electorate just sees asymmetrical warfare and assumes the underdog is worth cheering for without understanding the context.

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          a Hamas member living in their family apartment might lead to the entire building being leveled.

          Oh I see, so you’re okay with the whole family dying. Now I understand what a sick fuck you are.

          Let’s sya your cousin works for the Hamas government… Because he has a governmental job, so they bomb the home you are sheltering and starving in and you, your niece, your mother, your father, your grandfather, and all your children die. Is this acceptable?

          I already know the answer: Yes. To you, it must be acceptable.

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      It’s a tough time to be the Biden administration, they’re trying to support our allies and retain international credibility while dealing with significant numbers of angry voters who are trying to bind Israel’s hands before they can achieve meaningful military objectives to keep themselves safe.

      Your allies are child murderers.