• CherenkovBlue@iusearchlinux.fyi
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    Aaaand this is what we were afraid would happen. Hamas doesn’t care about the civilians of Gaza. It is such a horrible organization, there are no words to express it.

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      Hamas denies aid to civilians: “it’s so horrible, no words to express it”

      Israel denies aid to civilians: “this is just what has to happen, no way around it”

      Food and water don’t power weapons, and it’s illegal to use denial of food and water as a weapon of war anyways.

      Anyone who claims to care about Palestinian civilians should be demanding the restrictions on supplies be lifted, because the restrictions clearly aren’t working anyways.

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      The dirty truth is, Hamas is made of civilians, just not the starving babies ones.

      It’s made of guys like a father who one day got a phone call from the IDF telling him to surrender or get killed, so he decided to publish a video holding an AK, laughing and telling Israel to go and try. Next week he was dead, along with several members of his family.

      When you hear news like “Israel bombed a building just as a bunch of refugees took shelter in it”… yes, those were civilians; there also likely were Hamas among them, and at this point it’s anyone’s guess whether it was 10% or 90% of them.

      They’re civilians willing to risk their own families, and definitely everyone else’s families too.

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        Imagine the police calling you and telling you to turn yourself in, and then bombing your family if you don’t.

        Seems like the police are the bad guys in that scenario.

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          IDF are the military. It’s more like “imagine the FSB calling you and telling you to turn yourself in, mocking them publicly, then getting surprised at finding Polonium in the soup”.

          They’re not there to be the nice guys.

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            The IDF are terrorists who target civilians with vague claims, that they do not allow anyone to review, that their bombs are totally definitely absolutely hitting Hamas and not just civilians.

            But also, police are just the internal enforcers of a government’s power. And Israel exerts de facto control over the West Bank and Gaza, so it’s perfectly accurate to call the IDF’s actions there ‘policing’.

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              terrorists who target civilians with vague claims

              That’s what I said; when they get hired by an internationally feared recognized country, you call it “the military”.

              Otherwise, Israel has officially left Gaza in 2005, mostly use the IDF in non-settled areas of the West Bank, with the Israeli Police elsewhere… and no, doing like the US Police does, is not a good example of “policing”.

              Don’t lower the bar. Police are the people in charge of solving neighborly disputes as peacefully as possible, anything else is a lie.

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                No, police are the enforcers of state power. States are bad. Police are bad.

                Community defense groups are not “police”, and “solving neighborly disputes” does not require authority figures to get involved outside of adjudication, which police and/or community defense groups cannot and do not do; that’s what courts are for.

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        If you want to get right down to it, technically everyone in Palestine is a civilian, since they have been de-militarized by Israel.