I’d kinda like to see standards for vapes written so we can invent/install refill stations. Making things easier for people cuts the demand for undesirable outcomes like excess waste.
Disposable vapes are massively convenient but the waste is truly excessive and awful.
Regular pod devices are already ridiculously easy to use and maintain. You fill it and charge it. New pod every 1-2 weeks, a 30ml bottle of juice will last you around a month. There’s no need for refill stations or anything like that. If ypu were still allowed to buy juice and pods at a gas station (in the US) they’d be more easily accessible but that’s about it. Where I’m from at least there’s a smoke.shop on damn near every corner though so there still isn’t that much of a barrier
While I am certainly into this idea, the market has clearly shown high demand for disposable vapes. Beating that market in convenience factor would be the intent.
If ypu were still allowed to buy juice and pods at a gas station (in the US) they’d be more easily accessible but that’s about it.
I’m not trying to be an ass or anything, I just couldn’t find a better way to phrase this. Have you ever used a vape, disposable or not? Having a designated place to swap out disposables would be more of a hindrance than using pod systems. I’m honestly not even sure how that could be structured. The most popular disposables are already rechargeable and people already do that task for themselves. Refilling is a ~10 second endeavor in pod systems. And I’m not even sure how you could go about reusing disposables on a sanitary level. You can’t replace the mouth peices and many of them are very poorly built. The juce leaks into the electronics and can cause all sorts of problems.
In order to make this feasible you’d basically have to implement a reusable pod system that people just walk into the shop and swap out for a freshly filled pod when theirs dies out. This would dramatically increase the costs associated with pod systems.
My vape cost me $18, a pack of 4 pods costs $10, and a bottle of juice is ~$15 on average. $43 in total, or a little over the cost of 2 disposables. Disposables are only good for a week max, usually less. For a month of vaping (including the cost of a new vape) it cost me the price of 2 weeks in disposables. Ignoring the cost of the vape and only worrying about pods and juice, you get a months worth of nicotine for less than the price of one disposable. It’s not really a convenience problem because reusable vapes are already more convenient and cost effective than disposables. It’s not even a flavor or strength thing. Most disposable brands sell bottles of their flavors at the strengths they come in in the disposables. It’s just people making poor consumer choices, it’s as easy and cheap as it’s ever been to use a reusable pod system. It can get even cheaper by ordering online.
Not to say there isn’t room for improvement, I mentioned the gas station thing earlier and there used to be a lot of shops that made their own juice and you could order custom bottles with varying flavors, strengths, and vg/pg ratio. I’d like to see those return but there was a lot of restrictions passed in the last few years that have made it exceedingly difficult and cost prohibitive to do. You also used to be able to make your own juice at home but it’s illegal to ship concentrated nicotine to individuals now. There’s plenty of areas to fix but convenience isn’t one of them
because blu/Juul/etc suck but disposables cost 3x as much and are so much worse for the environment. Disposable batteries are a level above the detriment to the planet of disposable plastic.
The single use 1-unit disposables are what are so popular with the teenage crowd, according to my high schooler.
It’s so much more cost effective to spend $20-40 on a good pod mod and buy premium juice online to refill your pod. better for the ocean and 3rd world countries too, all you’re throwing away is the 30ml plastic nicotine bottle once every few weeks.
Indeed, the problem seems to be how much easier it is to use the disposables in comparison, I don’t get it because adding juice to my tank takes like 30 seconds and I’m good to go, but there’s also the coil replacement aspect, it’s probably mostly laziness honestly.
The single-purchase disposables are what I’m talking about and would like to encourage better market alternatives for.
Cost-efficiency just isn’t a winning argument here for a whole bunch of consumers. Convenience is. I don’t necessarily like that, but it’s true, and you can’t fight preferences
Juul knocked it out of the park so well it almost became a household name. Then Altria group bought a big part of them and lobbied to kill off all the flavors. It’s a shame, they did it right, e-waste wise.
I’d kinda like to see standards for vapes written so we can invent/install refill stations. Making things easier for people cuts the demand for undesirable outcomes like excess waste.
Disposable vapes are massively convenient but the waste is truly excessive and awful.
Regular pod devices are already ridiculously easy to use and maintain. You fill it and charge it. New pod every 1-2 weeks, a 30ml bottle of juice will last you around a month. There’s no need for refill stations or anything like that. If ypu were still allowed to buy juice and pods at a gas station (in the US) they’d be more easily accessible but that’s about it. Where I’m from at least there’s a smoke.shop on damn near every corner though so there still isn’t that much of a barrier
While I am certainly into this idea, the market has clearly shown high demand for disposable vapes. Beating that market in convenience factor would be the intent.
I’d strongly support this legislation tho
I’m not trying to be an ass or anything, I just couldn’t find a better way to phrase this. Have you ever used a vape, disposable or not? Having a designated place to swap out disposables would be more of a hindrance than using pod systems. I’m honestly not even sure how that could be structured. The most popular disposables are already rechargeable and people already do that task for themselves. Refilling is a ~10 second endeavor in pod systems. And I’m not even sure how you could go about reusing disposables on a sanitary level. You can’t replace the mouth peices and many of them are very poorly built. The juce leaks into the electronics and can cause all sorts of problems.
In order to make this feasible you’d basically have to implement a reusable pod system that people just walk into the shop and swap out for a freshly filled pod when theirs dies out. This would dramatically increase the costs associated with pod systems.
My vape cost me $18, a pack of 4 pods costs $10, and a bottle of juice is ~$15 on average. $43 in total, or a little over the cost of 2 disposables. Disposables are only good for a week max, usually less. For a month of vaping (including the cost of a new vape) it cost me the price of 2 weeks in disposables. Ignoring the cost of the vape and only worrying about pods and juice, you get a months worth of nicotine for less than the price of one disposable. It’s not really a convenience problem because reusable vapes are already more convenient and cost effective than disposables. It’s not even a flavor or strength thing. Most disposable brands sell bottles of their flavors at the strengths they come in in the disposables. It’s just people making poor consumer choices, it’s as easy and cheap as it’s ever been to use a reusable pod system. It can get even cheaper by ordering online.
Not to say there isn’t room for improvement, I mentioned the gas station thing earlier and there used to be a lot of shops that made their own juice and you could order custom bottles with varying flavors, strengths, and vg/pg ratio. I’d like to see those return but there was a lot of restrictions passed in the last few years that have made it exceedingly difficult and cost prohibitive to do. You also used to be able to make your own juice at home but it’s illegal to ship concentrated nicotine to individuals now. There’s plenty of areas to fix but convenience isn’t one of them
The market = 13yo - 30yo (leaning heavily to the 13-20 age group).
I’m 39 and started vaping with disposable vapes. Vastly better than smoking (which I did before switching)
Are you talking about juul/blu/those kinds that you buy the pods for? Or are you talking about puff bars etc where the entire thing including battery is one unit and you toss it after 1000 hits or whatever like these https://i1.wp.com/aksmokeworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/puff-flow-01.jpg?w=1000&ssl=1
because blu/Juul/etc suck but disposables cost 3x as much and are so much worse for the environment. Disposable batteries are a level above the detriment to the planet of disposable plastic.
The single use 1-unit disposables are what are so popular with the teenage crowd, according to my high schooler.
It’s so much more cost effective to spend $20-40 on a good pod mod and buy premium juice online to refill your pod. better for the ocean and 3rd world countries too, all you’re throwing away is the 30ml plastic nicotine bottle once every few weeks.
Indeed, the problem seems to be how much easier it is to use the disposables in comparison, I don’t get it because adding juice to my tank takes like 30 seconds and I’m good to go, but there’s also the coil replacement aspect, it’s probably mostly laziness honestly.
I think there’s an intimidation factor too. “Coil replacement” would definitely have weirded me out a few years ago.
Laziness is definitely a huge factor tho
The single-purchase disposables are what I’m talking about and would like to encourage better market alternatives for.
Cost-efficiency just isn’t a winning argument here for a whole bunch of consumers. Convenience is. I don’t necessarily like that, but it’s true, and you can’t fight preferences
Juul knocked it out of the park so well it almost became a household name. Then Altria group bought a big part of them and lobbied to kill off all the flavors. It’s a shame, they did it right, e-waste wise.