Not once have i mentioned who I voted for in this thread.

I simply admitted to advocating for third party voters.

Specifically I was advocating for it if you absolutely cant stomach harris in order to avoid the blood bath we just saw. Even gave advice on what conditions it was best to do it under.

The idiots and their zealotry instead of turning out the vote and losing a few votes here and there made it absolutely toxic with your ‘lesser evil’ and behavior towards people expressing their extreme dislike towards harris. So they stopped engaging and didnt turn out. Losing not only the presidential race but also many senate/house seats as well.

See the difference? I don’t need to virtue signal what I did with my vote to make my points.

The fact these idots thought they could demand the votes of people whose friends and family were actively being murdered by biden/harris admin without any fucking concessions by her is absolutely tone deaf and moronic. The campaigns absolutely abhorrent treatment of that community on top of it… 🤌.

Omg and then bidens gaffe about shithead trunp voters and the immediate walk back by literally the entire Democratic party? My god imagine being an arab and watching that… Holy shit. They shit all over your community for begging them to stop mass murdering friends and family. Remove members of your community from events without reason. Get ridiculed and yelled at by supposed allies for daring to speak up on what you want. And everyone is cool with this behavior. But biden makes one accurate statement about MAGA supporters and they’re immediately walking everything back.

And as a result she immediately lost 25 electoral points from the get go. 25 points which she couldnt win without.

25 points that in a race this fucking tight she shouldn’t have even put at risk with a fucking ask that was literally just ‘enforce american law properly’ an ask given to the supposed law and order candidate.

Harris was an absolute disaster of a candidate to run, we’ve been warning everyone about the consequences of gaza for a year.

Everything after that is on many like yourself a d your lack of empathy and acceptance of absolutely abhorrent behavior towards our friends and neighbors.

My contempt you felt? Yeah this is why. The behavior of many Democrats this election has been absolutely contemptible. The lack of self reflection afterwards? Even more so.

Ive seen maybe 2 people recognized and admit to the absolutely disgusting behavior on display. The rest of you dweebs? Nope, its eberyone elses fault! Okay fucking principal skinners.

I am bowing I told you twits exactly what you needed to do to get harris. You chose to support her in a genocide, and her lack of support for workers.

Oops and now your pissy she lost. Oops! Why are you not taking responsibility for your actions? You’re acceptance pf a fucking genocide and the suppression of arab voices cost you the election by kosing losing 25 points. You’re lack of support for economic reforms for workers cost you the rest.

When will you stop blaming others for defending themselves and accept your role. Ive accepted mine but you clearly havent accepted yours. Take some personal fucking responsibility. No sane person would vote for person actively murdering their friends and family. How you idiots failed to realize that is fucking beyond comprehension.

Learn some fucking empathy and maybe you’ll get the votes next time. In the mean time start hitting the ranges and sprucing up you might need it in the years to come.

Hehe im absolutely cool with the call out on the article. No offense taken. Unlike many I appreciate when people call out bullshit, long as its actually bullshit.

we’ve been in one for awhile. AI hasnt changed anything. We’ve had issues with nonsense science, news, etc. literally since time immemorial.

I was actually talking with a friend about how disinformation is an incredibly hard challenge and that I believe the only way to address is to actually put impedance in social media and search engines for new content. To allow filtration to happen before eyes see it.

Alright oracle. I dont prognosticate (much).

Yeah sucks when people point out just how shit of a decision you’ve been making and how you failed to see the consequences of your actions.

Lost two key demographics for the big tent party with your lesser evil nonsense.

Next time some people go ‘hey maybe we shouldn’t mass murder other people?’ you’ll fucking listen. But given the massive lack of self reflection going on by individuals like yourself i doubt it.

First the came for the arabs, but i was not an arab so i didn’t speak out…

This saying is about you and yours. Please look into the history of it.

shrug okay ostrich. ;)

I suggest you read my other response to another individual in this thread.

Incorrect i voted just not for harris or trump, i warned all of you this was going to happen months in advance. You had time to get your act together and pressure Harris. i was i literally begged you idiots for months. I gave you dunces options to still vote for barris while tanking her in the polls, messaging her, etc.

Now you see the lesser evil nonsense is just utilitarianism. A philosophy that promotes always choosing the harm to the least amount of people.

Unfortunately its a philosophy that is uniquely structured to allow people, like yourself, to think they’re making the best decision. Unfortunately when you have a voting system like ours all it does it let groups like the DNC promote people like trump. Which they’ve been doing for the last 8 years.

By doing this the dnc gets to act more and more like trump while you are blissfully morally bankrupted thinking you’re doing the correct thing.

Instead all that has happen is you were a frog in a pot getting boiled. Look at you now progenocider, pro immigrant children in cages, antiworking class, literally watched harris shit all over a minority group like a Republicans do. You’re all grown up and you didnt even realize it.

Itd be funny if your behavior hasnt been fucking over everyone here at home for literally my entire life. All people like myself did was expose it for what it is. A bad fucking decision that we will not be apart of. Congrats you cut off your noses and spited your face. 🤡

No but see I withheld my vote for genocidal candidates.

FTFY. get your facts straight. Kamala’s internal polling knew this. she choose this put your ire in the proper location: on harris and the dnc for blowing a fucking election against this twit to shill harder for corporations.

she had two jobs to win: convince people she took the economic hardships of american workers serious (she didn’t) and commit to following americas laws (she didn’t while simultaneously running as a law and order candidate).

Instead she treated arabs like absolute garbage and had pro business economic policies. oooo 25k for first time home owners. bitch people can’t afford food and rent and mortgage rates are at a two decade high. you think 25k is going to do shit?

she was such an arrogant asshole to arabs and the working class we fucking warned everyone for months. but instead of listening idiots spouted ‘lesser evil’ nonsense. All I know is im grabbing popcorn for the next four years and focusing my efforts entirely locally from now on. fuck the DNC and national democrats.

volunteer to do poll work next election.

you should always worry about it operationally. even in europe.

Indeed we are, and my actions will never support a genocidal candidate while yours did. Doesn’t particularly matter which genocidal we get when thats the bar. I will admit to a small perverse pleasure knowing you dweeds will be suffering at least a small amount of discomfort. It was the least i could do for the harm we’ve inflicted on Palestinians and the shit stain behavior of people like yourself and harris.

Yes, you literally are stating you voted for harris to signal the correctness of your position on the issue. My definition and the definition you quoted are pretty much functionally identical. People dont like people in their group if they dont consider them morally decent.

Its a video of a former obama official and the video is a primary source. Didnt really care about the textual contents of the page was just grabbing a source for the video. Whether jon is trustworthy source shrug id believe it though.

sigh this conversation was never worth the time. oh well. at least we’re past the ‘blahblah dont understand economics nonsense’ I’ll toss some final notes and then ignore you. =)

1. my original point in this whole conversation is that the billionaire tax wasnt going to win votes. its a fine policy, I said that multiple times. but it wasnt going to win votes.
2. no I didnt contradict myself, this is your reasoning/reading comprehension issue again. Harris lost because of her poor communication and poor policies. I didn’t say which policies were explicitly poor outside of pointing out the ones that explicitly didn’t address the main points I was making which is that voters care more about putting food on the table than taxing billionaires.

Harris both failed to communicate effectively that she wasn’t a fucking inhumane monster over gaza, and that she actually understood americans needs economically. and as a result it doesn’t matter which of her actual policies were actually useful since she already lost people on all 3 of the base motivators: food, shelter, safety. if you fail those 3 issues you will have a hard time making a case for why people should vote for you.

And if you don’t understand why harris absolutely needed to distance herself from bidenomics well frankly there is no hope for you at this point since it just goes back to food, shelter, safety.

I voted for harris

you’re straight up virtue signalling by definition. virtue signalling is where a person makes statements that identifies them as part of the ‘group’ they are communicating with in order to make unacceptable actions acceptable.

In this particular case you’re trying to soften the blow for ardent progenocide supporters for harris. unfortunately they need to the cold hard truth to wake them up.

You:

I voted for harris, don’t hurt me, I didnt agree with her but I still was in your group!

Please don’t take my response to you in a negative manner I’m just pointing out what you did. You are free to self reflect on it however you wish. If your position has merit it can stand on its own without resorting to virtue signalling.

But in my opinion this exact behavior is why harris lost. people were so busy virtue signalling they didnt support trump and dog piling all their stress onto anyone who told them harris was going to lose that harris’ campaign didn’t pick up exactly how fucked they actually were over gaza and the economy.

Most people are not like myself, they wont go out of their way to tell you how fucked up something is unless it negatively impacts them. Its why the arabs were screaming the entire campaign but very few others like myself were. instead they saw what was happening and just wrote harris off after comparing her actions to trumps words. Aka: trump may act and say hes a monster, but at least he doesn’t lie to my face about it.

It doesn’t matter why, and frankly, it’s weird that you think i have inside knowledge of the DNC policy choices.

I dont think you have insider knowledge. My point is you need to justify the position if you’re going to jump down peoples throats over it.

The real question is: why did you decide that people you dont know were more important than people you do know?

Who says I dont know any palestinian americans? And is this really the argument you want to make, that a candidate conducting mass murder is worth voting for? Who is next on your list of acceptable minority to genocide? blacks? latinos? asians? lgbt+? jews? christians?

I know what i chose. I chose to support the people around me - the people i love and care about.

and a bang up job you did! harris lost. you added your voice to the 70 million others saying ‘its okay if you genocide over there.’ congrats by attacking arab americans and their supporters you accomplished exactly nothing. You allowed harris to act and conduct herself like an absolute monster while thinking she could win thereby turning enough voters away from her campaign in absolute disgust that she lost.

If you wanted to protect people here, you need to actually protect people here. in this case the arab americans whos friends and family are being slaughtered for absolutely no reason. they have to live with the pain and suffering of the actions of harris and democrats like yourself.

You chose strangers over the people you care about.

incorrect. I chose to protect a group of people to grow the tent of mutual support thereby protecting all the wonderful groups you are going to attempt to throw in peoples faces. LGBT+ are less safe because of harris’ decision to disparage, ostracize, and murder a group of the american population making her unelectable by the left base. she did this because of your willingness to vote for her no matter what she does.

I hope you can look at your lgbt friends and the women you care about in the face and tell them you care about them less than people you dont even fucking know.

I did. they knew my vote for months. I warned them harris was going to lose over this. just as I warned all of you. funny thing is though. none of them will be less safe as a result of this in my area. why? because we believe in mutual aid.

A man literally offed himself over gaza and you thought that you can shame, threaten, and disparage people into supporting your candidate while she conducted and supported a genocide? rofl.

You are a disingenuous fuck for even suggesting you are right.

yup, absolutely, never do any self reflecting on how your and those like you actions completely disgusted an entire segment of the electorate enough for them to literally bend you over during an election. I’ve know for months trump was likely to win because biden/harris and those like yourself are absolute monsters who will parade around on their high fucking horse with a smile as it steps on the skulls of those beneath all the while saying ‘remember, I was willing to do this to them, pray you dont end up on the list’

First they came for the socialists, but I was not a socialist…

this mantra is about you. I suggest you study its historical importance.

Now again, I asked for people to give reasons why harris couldn’t shit her positions not a rehash of the same old tired arguments that clearly failed the first go around. and as you clearly demonstrated you where the reason. good day.

Np. As for the campaign finance laws im also fairly certain those excuses were a load of bunk too. I dont believe anything prevented biden campaign from returning them to the donors and letting them reallocate.

Virtue signal harder friend it wont save you. We’ll be here if it actually gets bad but the democrats are done as an option given this last campaign.

You’re welcome you also noted I never denied it would be one or the other. I said it was a false choice that people had to vote for one or the other.

You were warned. you’re welcome for the warning. Im sorry you and harris didnt grasp the breadth of the problem at hand and completely blew the election.

So kindly fix your party or replace them. Im certainly done with them at this point.