And if that day never comes youll just keep paying for innocent animals to be killed? Theres very little that can excuse slicing the throat of an innocent being

at the end of the day no matter what vegans do our existence is a threat to the cognitive dissonance of meat eaters, I have two options: I can be so nonchalant that it seems like I’m actually ok with people killing animals needlesly and therefore theres no reason to question their beliefs or I can actually put a bit of passion into my defense of animals and risk people like you for some reason getting annoyed that my advocacy isnt effective? (Like if you are against veganism why correct me while im making a mistake right clearly theres something else going on here psychologically why you feel the need to correct me) Meanwhile lots of people actually do change their mind on veganism from a no nonsense approach see people like joey carbstrong and earthling ed for examples of how that can be done well

Why would we do that when we can eat plants its cheaper healthier doesnt kill an innocent animal and is better for the environment

most vegan cuisine has nothing to do with fake meat thats only been a thing for a couple of decades at most

It is a cyclical thing both consumers and producers are responsible in different ways in most cases the use of plastic in packaging is producers fault for example but eating animal products is a choice for 99% of people on the planet and going vegan is the single biggest way to reduce your carbon footprint (see joseph poore 2018)

71% of corporations is the new climate denial were at the bargaining stage now: “well the drastic sacrifice were going to have to make doesnt matter because corporations need to do something before I even attempt to start living in line with earths resources”

“Youre going about it all wrong: this method is how you convince people to stop slitting innocent animals throats. I know this method works because it didnt work on me.” fyi if I could snap my fingers and somehow force everyone to leave animals alone I’d do it in a heartbeat, wouldnt you do the same to end all murder?

Please stop killing innocent animals

I mean its murder, I’m not going to weigh which is worse murder or rape theyre just both bad dont do them “but it gives me pleasure” is not an excuse for either murder or rape

so you dont like being called out got it snowflake

First of all I think that violence in self defense or survival is justified, plants have tropisms which means they have small hard coded responses to certain stimuli like leaning toward light, they do not have any form of sense processing thus no awareness no preference theyre an object

Even if you wanted to minimise the harm caused to plants, it takes far more plants to feed livestock to sustain an omnivorous diet

Debunking a myth: plant consciousness. Protoplasma 258, 459–476 https://doi.org/10.1007/s00709-020-01579-w

you might like this video a meat eaters case for veganism abt 20m long https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1vW9iSpLLk

to “buy” a laying hen you are almost certainly going to be buying from a breeder that kills the male chicks

Ok yeah in full: “the suffering caused is justified by the pleasure I received” is the argument theyre using and it justifies a whole bunch of shitty things like rape

“it gives me pleasure” is the logic of a rapist

hunting as the only source of meat cannot sustain food supply, 99% of people would have to stop eating meat if that were the only source. and there is a more humane way to control deer population with contraceptive darts see the vegan blindspot by humane hancock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjCp6bUp__M

no not everyone can eat a plant based diet, but they can still avoid other animal products and testing

Animals do kill each other a lot, does that mean that we are justified in copying this behaviour? The animals that kill eachother either have no means to survive otherwise or have no rational capabliity to deduce that its wrong, I cannot reason with a lion but I hope I can reason with you. As it happens lions also eat their young and forced intercourse is the norm in the animal kingdom, are we justified in copying these acts because it’s “natural” to do so? Furthermore even if we were to conclude that carnivores/omnivores are morally culpable for their killings how does that justify us killing cows, pigs and chickens that did nothing to harm us The actions of non-humans in the circumstances of non-humans have no bearing on the actions of humans in the circumstances of a modern human

“To up your intake, consider eating more choline-rich foods, such as salmon, eggs, broccoli and cauliflower.” https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/what-is-choline#bottom-line thanks I’ll eat more brocolli and cauliflower