Then the original comment I replied to should have been removed. Fuck that original commenter, fuck the mod, and by extension fuck your for blaming the working class’s conditions on anyone not willing to vote for Democrats. That creates a toxic and unwelcoming community, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Oops. Guess I didn’t knuckle under to your demand for civility; also liberal as hell.
The original comment was yours…
Wrong. Here is the bit of the original comment—still unremoved and not mine, but the one I replied to—which shits on anyone who doesn’t vote for Democrats, and anyone who knows enough about other political philosophies to know the two liberal mainstream U.S. political brands are basically identical in all but rhetoric (so yeah, that user “included an attack onto everyone who doesn’t thing like [them]” as you so helpfully put it).
i swear, you have either be super out of touch with the people actively under threat by republicans or putting your principles over the lives of actual people to even begin equating the two parties. work on utopian political projects every other day of the year, build movements to affect broader social change, but i swear if you end up not voting blue during one of the most precarious moments of this shithole’s democracy what comes next is worse for all of us.
Does that help clarify things for you? I hope so, because you’d honestly have to be willfully misreading things if not.
I love escalating war and feeding more working-class people to the meat grinder for the sake of capitalists and nationalism.
Uh huh. Your country, too, fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian, I see.
From a meta point of view, sounds like you started the antagonistic comment tree
Wrong. The original comment was antagonistic toward any and all users (as well as the broader population) who didn’t vote the way the liberal wanted them to. I guess it’s okay to be antagonistic toward a whole segment of a community, but being “antagonistic” back to a single user who’s doing that…that is a no-no.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think some of the moderation philosophy docs address favoring deescalation and disengagement, as opposed to escalation, even when it is "in kind’.
I’ll quote @Gaywallet, Beehaw admin and OP of this thread (and, probably, the linked document) here:
Realistically, if someone is intolerant to you, we’re not going to tone police you for responding in kind.
Whatever “realistic” means here, I guess. But it sounds a great deal like responding “in kind”, as you put it, isn’t fundamentally something that’s expected to be moderated against. Allegedly, at least.
So the lesser of two evils it is.
So…which of those evils does your government fund and arm, by chance?
It’s in good faith. Follow the link. Check that community’s modlog if the big tree of removed comments isn’t sufficient.
TL;DR - OC shit on people who don’t vote for Democrats. I replied saying the current state of affairs is thanks to people like them who vote for mainstream parties, with the same kind of snark they used against the implied target of anyone who doesn’t vote or votes third-party. The mod removal based on “needlessly antagonistic” started with me—the leftist—and left alone the reactionary liberal who blamed leftists and working-class voters for the state of U.S. politics. Removing whole conversation trees for the sake of people who want to defend the honor of Democrats looks an awful lot like a liberal “sanitized space”, I’d say.
deranged
Nice. And no: throwing out names doesn’t erase the absolute fucking ignorance of political philosophy you displayed previously, sorry. The point out mentioning Chomsky and Zinn wasn’t about “people with different viewpoints”. It was literally about the U.S. constitution, the design of the modern system, and your assertion that people who recognize that it is working as intended are wacko conspiracy theorists. Yes, if you’ve really read those works, you should re-read them and actually pay attention this time.
Does not check out, anyway. This is most definitely a “sanitized space”. Just for liberals, not leftists. Reddit 2.0. https://beehaw.org/comment/606420
Turns out that not all societies are (and were) as patriarchal as the modern ones imposed upon us by capitalism and colonialism are, too.
The field of “archaeology” seems to be better about illuminating such facts than the field of “history” is. But that could be anecdotal based on my exposure to archaeologists, historians, and their material.
Wow! Will do. Thanks.
Context is fun. What you did do is reply in a thread in which people are criticizing churches and their influence; a reply disparaging those statements and implying they aren’t being respectful of people’s spiritual/religious views. Dissertation unnecessary.
You don’t have to agree with someone’s spiritual or religious views, but you should respect them.
You should really learn to distinguish between spiritual/religious views and the organization of religion into hierarchical organizations of churches though, TBH. And the indoctrination of people into those hierarchies both through coercive family relations (e.g. parent/child) and by systems like colonization and the genocidal missionary work that goes along with it. People are generally right that these hierarchies are destructive to society, whether or not we respect people’s personal beliefs.
No Gods, No Masters!
Nice. Fuck off, homophobes!
There is no reasonable rational analysis where Joe Biden is a fascist
Oh yes, there most definitely is. He has enacted far more fascist policy in his career of politics than Trump has or ever could. Mass incarceration—including concentration camps—the “War On Drugs”, union busting and strikebreaking, mass surveillance (e.g. the Patriot Act, which he happily takes credit for), militarization of the police, attacks on journalism and whistleblowers, etc. Biden is most definitely fascist. It’s pretty fucking gross of you to practice such denial and apologia, TBH. Putting a donkey and some nice old grampa speeches in front of the policy doesn’t change the policy.
He’s a neoliberal
Yes. That too. As is Trump, by the way. Did you not notice how they share plans to privatize social programs like Social Security? Man, if I had a nickel for everyone who believes that a politician subscribing to neoliberal ideology means they can’t also subscribe to fascist ideology. Whew! The two liberal (yes, liberal) tendencies are completely complementary, and a ton of neoliberal economics—such as privatization—came straight out of Nazi Germany, as practiced directly by fascists in a fascist government. One manages the policy related to economics and so-called “soft power”. The other manages the more direct violence, control, spying, and abuse by the state.
Politics has been an exercise in finding compromise
False. Compromise is simply a tactic. Politics is literally about building and exercising power, and using it to secure and enhance the authority which grants it. “Politics is about compromise” is liberal propaganda that has very little to do with reality. When power relations don’t dictate that compromise is necessary, none is used.
We definitely don’t have an amazing system of politics. But “this is by design” is literally untrue unless you believe in some weird conspiracy thing. The US constitution is mega old, most of it’s failures are related to that, imo.
Again, this is completely incorrect. The U.S. constitution is a reactionary document that was literally designed to curtail democracy. There’s no conspiracy necessary. “Conspiracy” implies secrecy. The so-called “Founding Fathers” literally documented that that was exactly what they were doing, and what they intended. And those in power regularly admit it as well. All you have to do is look at what they say (quite openly!) when the intended audience isn’t the working class. They have their PR guys and the mainstream media to put it into much nicer sounding words when you and I are expected to be paying attention. You should really read more literature by people like Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn. When those in power admit what they’re doing, and when it very much matches their interests to do it (i.e. preserve their power while ensuring you have none), you should probably believe them.
“Right and wrong”—as it is being used here—must always take into consideration hierarchies of oppression (e.g. white supremacy/racism, patriarchy/sexism, hetero-normativity/homophobia/queerphobia/transphobia, capitalism/classism, etc.). The quoted statement seems to ignore this, and take a reductive view that such issues are simply a matter of personal “discomfort”. While the quote alone might be taken more…forgivingly, the context within an article presenting a binary choice of either removing “bigoted or distasteful content [to make it a] sanitized space” vs. letting such content be and letting the community simply try to change minds on it does not lend confidence in that kind of forgiving interpretation.
From a logistical standpoint: we simply cannot privilege your personal discomfort over anyone else’s, and we cannot always cater specifically to you and what you want. Your personal positions on right or wrong are not inherently more valid than someone else’s when weighing most questions of how we should moderate this space. There are often plenty of people who do not feel like you that we must also consider in moderation decisions.
This doesn’t take into consideration forces of oppression, and is thus incorrect and very badly constructed. Was this jointly authored, or is it one admin’s take alone?
Nah. We just have the “choice” between different flavors of fascist in the U.S. There’s no (mainstream) non-fascist choice.
Sympathy from the U.S., where we’ll be told to pick between two fascists once again.
I think the world’s nation-states are widely adopting the “lesser-evil” faux-choice strategy these days, right along with the mass spread of neoliberalism and the all-too-ubiquitous open adoption of its bed-buddy fascism. This is by design. Politicians are waking up to the fact that we aren’t rebelling (effectively) even as they drop the pretense of democracy. The state has enough power over us at this point that it can get away with just about anything it likes.
Supposedly Revolt is FOSS and is similar to Discord. I haven’t tried it yet, though.
Then the original comment I replied to should have been removed. Fuck that original commenter, and fuck you, for blaming the working class’s conditions on anyone not willing to vote for Democrats. That creates a toxic and unwelcoming community, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Oops. Guess I didn’t knuckle under to your demand for civility; also liberal as hell.