For real guys, we need a better way to debate, propose and vote on de-federation.

I have supported Discord with a nitro subscription for as long as I’ve had an account. It’s a terrific program and there’s no reason to expect premium features for nothing in return. The mentality that everything should be free is why we have so many fucking ad driven online business models and I’m over it. I pay for what I use if it’s a good service.

Just look at the ratio on this post for a gold confirmation of those numbers. 300+ comments and 1400+ upvotes. That a decent interaction ratio.

Even just upvoting is still participation as well. Wiki is different.

Wikipedia is a different concept though.

This is social media. Wiki is information. I come here to share thoughts, but I only go to wiki to find data.

Almost everyone on social media posts random bullshit. That’s why there are tons and tons of comments on every post.

Things like reddit and Lemmy probably have at least 50% participation from their daily active users.

I posed this question to the admins a while back. How does the community officially suggest instances to defederate. How do we vote on those choices? Where is the process?

This was during the lemmy.online thing, where that instance (which no longer exists) created a bot to basic just crawl reddit and duplicate posts to their instance. I immediately told the instance admin that they should stop and I asked the admins where the process was to submit a de-federation request.

All I got was a bunch of BS from users about how de-federation should be something we don’t take lightly, blah blah blah, but all I was asking was where the process is. How are we even partaking in a system that’s so ripe for admin abuse?

The lemmy.world admins aren’t malicious… they’re just in over their heads. They’ve struggled with the technical side of running the service and they haven’t built out some of the social tools that an instance this side needs. Hopefully they mature quickly.

Yeah I’m having a hard time understanding this entire thread. Like… Is everyone here completely baked?

We touch our belts and then we wash our hands. Just like we touch our dicks AND THEN WE WASH OUR HANDS.

y’all are acting like I should be washing my dick too.

No, there’s no indication that Meta cares about the Fediverse.

This is all just a bunch of hype. Yes, of course we’ll defederate if they try. I think that’s fairly obvious.

Uh, we need participation from everyone in order for the fediverse to have legitimacy. We unfortunately need those cringe users if we want large scale adoption. Without it everything stays small scale, developers aren’t attracted to the concept and people leave for functioning alternatives.

There’s a 90% probability that Threads takes over from the failing Twitter. Nothing will change. No one will learn anything. More of everyone’s data will be stollen.

It’s easy to missjudge how much of our society are just mindless drones.

I still have a 8700K and haven’t really had the need to upgrade in a while. I’ll never buy a processor with something like this in it. If Microsoft forces it in new CPUs, I’m pretty sure I can make it the rest of my life with current hardware.

I think that eventually there will be primary communities that get settled for major topics.

I don’t think we’re using Lemmy correctly right now, and there’s a shift in mindset that needs to happen before Lemmy really becomes great. People need to realize that smaller instances built around specific topics will be better than massive ones trying to span every topic.

Thanks for blocking that instance.

I tried to explain to their admin why the entire concept was bad for the fediverse but they didn’t seem to understand.

People can do whatever they want with their instances, but something like that should defederate themselves and live in a void.

That isn’t the way to try and build content or community over here. We have the high ground. We don’t need to stoop down to their level.

Twitter is still here as well, without much moderation.

The platforms survive. Interactions just get a lot worse. But most people still refuse to leave.

I don’t want to be a part of that system anymore, which is why I’m here even though I don’t necessarily believe this form of federation social network is designed very well.

I couldn’t have said it better.

I haven’t seen that much of a problem on Lemmy.ml, so I think you really have to dig down into it to find the dirt. I think some people have a problem with the admins political views, so they try to smear them any chance they can. But those same admin made lemmygrad as a place to kinda keep all that stuff separate from the main instance.

Sure, it seeps over sometimes, but the bulk of the content on lemmy.ml is just standard shit. Reddit was no different. Most subreddits were normal and there were a few ones that were full of imbalanced idiots. That didn’t make people leave the site completely. We just didn’t sub to the subreddits we didn’t like. In a similar vein, just block the communities here that you don’t want to see.

As far as the “too many communities” discussion goes… we’re never going to win that battle. The majority of people out there aren’t willing to make the change to the fediverse because of this one issue. Most likely a true Reddit alternative will be made and most normies will move there in time.

It’s great that Lemmy has gained some popularity, but there are too many issues here for it ever to become as big as something like Reddit.

Yeah this is a good point.

It took me months to actually start using Lemmy and Mastodon. I would consider myself a tech savvy person and it still took a while getting used too. I think there need to be better tutorials linked on the sign-up pages that help people understand the basic concepts. That would help drive true user acquisition.

The beauty of the fediverse is that the last panel can’t happen.

We control our own instances. There’s no world where admins wouldn’t defederate from any Facebook attempt to barge in.

Maybe a few larger instances sell out, but users hold the power here now. If an admin betrays our trust, we’ll just make a new instance.

It depends on the tech. I’m not convinced this form of federation is going to work. There’s already a lot of tech issues being exposed and drama unfolding between the instances.

I also don’t think it will see wide public adoption due to how segmented the communities are.

I hope these issues are resolved, and I’ll try to stick it out here. I quit Twitter and am trying Mastodon and I’ll do the same with reddit. I’m not willing to just sit by and watch corporations take over our society.

And some massive lawsuits to handle.