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    9 months ago

    Wow, I can’t believe Democrats would say something like that. Gym Jordan is not an insurrectionist.

    He’s an insurrectionist and a pedophile enabler. Get it right.

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      That’s right, Jim Jordan helped cover up the ongoing sexual abuses of many students. It’s unknown if Jim Jordan was also sexually abusing students himself.

      Jim Jordan then supported an insurrection against the United States government.

      Conservatives agree that sex abuse supporter and insurrectionist Jim Jordan accurately represents them.

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          No, they don’t

          You’re replying to real life shit with stupid conspiracy theories.

          Which is the entire fucking point republicans makes such a big fuss about those conspiracy theories. So it can distract from the very real absuers and enablers that actually exist.

          I don’t know if you think you’re funny, or being serious. And it doesn’t matter, because both options are horrible

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      it really blows my mind that there were absolutely no consequences for what they were doing out in the open like that. then again, it also feels like ‘par for the course’ given everything else in the last 6+ years.

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    What the hell, NBC News? Calling Jordan a “firebrand” (someone who is passionate about something)? That’s like calling Andrew Tate a “self help guru.”

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        Where, in this case, “anger issues” translates to “was scheming to overthrow the government and install Trump as dictator.”

        The fucking media is really doing whatever it can to whitewash these insurrectionists’ reputations.

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      For some reason I’ve been wanting to hear one of these dolts apply the term to themselves. “I’m a…I’m a firebrand”. With an Elvis accent. Really flesh out the caricature.

      EDIT: Grammar

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    Fucking finally.

    Dems need to show more backbone; if an guy leads an insurrection- call him out. Be factual, but call him out. None of this “high road, don’t make them angry” bullshit.

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      This is one of those having-their-cake-and-eating-it-too moments, because the Democrats are taking the high road, by using nothing but the truth, yet doing it in a way that is guaranteed to fuck with (and piss off) the Republicans.

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        Exactly. That’s why I put “high road” in quotes.

        Ignoring all the reasons why the opposition is objectively awful is….not the moral high road. It’s intellectually dishonest and part of why we’re in this moment.

        Like with Santos. They either didn’t do oppose research or didn’t use it. Things that would have maybe changed the election. But noooo “we don’t do that! Because that would be not nice!”

        Guess what. pubies are bullies and are okay with people dying to put them in power. Being nice is not important,

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          His Democrat opponent did release research about Santos but basically most news orgs, esp the major ones, ignored it at the time. I’m in NYC and Republican candidates tend to be ignored by news orgs unless it is for President, Governor, or Mayor.

          Local news organizations did raise questions in their coverage of Santos. One column in The North Shore Leader noted the eye-popping increase in Santos’s net worth from less than $5,000 to more than $11 million over a period of two short years. The piece even quoted an anonymous Republican leader as saying, “Are we being played as extras in ‘The Talented Mr. Santos’?” And the DCCC’s research memo on Santos outlined many of the allegations made in the Times report. It noted the IRS’s lack of knowledge of the congressman-elect’s animal-rescue charity and raised questions about his financial status. The document does, however, list Santos’s educational and professional claims without question. The bulk of the 87-page research document leans into Santos’s ties to Trump and his antiabortion stance.

          Zimmerman says his campaign “was unrelenting in getting people’s attention” but that, ultimately, “I think part of the problem, quite frankly, was everyone saw this as not a competitive seat. They didn’t see the Republican tidal wave coming in New York, and so they didn’t focus on the race.” Jacobs, too, echoed this sentiment. “Santos didn’t win the race based on his campaign or who he is,” he said. “Like many other Republicans, particularly on Long Island, [Santos] won because of the view that this was an issue-driven election and the issue this year was crime.” Indeed, a red wave did run through New York on November 8, where even Sean Patrick Maloney—the person tasked with steering Democrats to another majority—lost his own race.

          https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/12/house-republicans-george-santos-democrats-ethics

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    What a headline. Why would anyone ever even think the Democrats would help nominate Jim Fucking Jordan? Oh man, those Democrats really had an opportunity to reach across the aisle here but now I see they’re just allergic to bipartisanship for not supporting the “conservative firebrand” and “guy who wanted to overturn an election they won”. He’s one of the least acceptable choices they have, why frame it like they refused to do a thing that’s manifestly stupid?

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      I wouldn’t label him aa “one of the least acceptable choices.”

      He’s one of the most abhorrently unacceptable ones.

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      Nancy Mace claimed, with a straight face, in an interview with Jake Tapper that she’s spoken to Democrats in Congress that say they trust Jim Jordan.

      https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/10/11/mace-house-speaker-jordan-democrats-scalise-jake-tapper-lead-vpx.cnn

      I burst out in laughter. I honestly had not laughed that long in a very long time.

      Jake Tapper finally got her to admit that they “trusted Jim Jordan more than Kevin McCarthy.” Not exactly a high bar there.

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        The fallacy of understated evidence is a favorite of politicians, especially Republicans.

        Also, I don’t fucking believe even her adjusted claim. Give names or STFU, Nancy.

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        Nancy Mace claimed, with a straight face, in an interview with Jake Tapper that she’s spoken to Democrats in Congress that say they trust Jim Jordan.

        I trust that Jim Jordan will do anything to to get Trump into power and overthrow the government.

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      They are either totally desperate, or (more likely) they are so delusional that they actually believe that insurrectionists, right-wing extremists, and whatever other ilk the GOP shoved into the House would be OK for the democrats.

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      “See, because 95% of the votes to remove McCarthy as speaker came from Democrats, they are the ones responsible for the current gridlock. We have presented multiple candidates including Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise. It is now up to the Democrats to tell us which one of these two they’re willing to get behind so we can get back to business. And no, we are not going to offer up any concessions to help Democrats fix a mess that they created. We’ve done our part, now they need to do theirs.”

      – Actual GOP talking points I’ve seen online.

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        This amazing takes completely ignores the fact that McCarthy spent the few days before getting ousted blaming the Dems for everything bad.

        Fucker had it coming, and this is a Republican Problem, caused by Republicans, for Republicans. Democrats have no reason at all to help keep in power someone actively working against them.

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        They really don’t have any responsibility. As you say - the GOP has the majority, and started his ouster in a situation he himself created. That alone should say it all.

        But also realize that Kev did zero to try to get Dems on board supporting him, which is how this is all SUPPOSED to work. Compromise is how they built the system. Instead he actively pushed them away, promising never to work with them, offensively blaming them for the disarray, and pulling undemocratic stunts like starting an impeachment investigation with no evidence or even a vote.

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        they sided with the far right nutters to oust the previous one.

        They didn’t side with the Republicans. But default, they never voted for McCarthy. McCarthy’s speakership required republican support because he never got Democrat support. That’s why his initial run for speaker took like 15 tries. If the democrats had supported him, it would’ve taken one.

        The pandemonium in the House is purely Republican political theater. Democrats are merely allowing Republicans to showcase their inability to govern because they’re not unified.

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        they sided with the far right nutters to oust the previous one. If it weren’t for literally the entire Democratic caucus joining in with the 8 lone Republicans who wanted this there wouldn’t be a leadership crisis in the midst of an impending government shutdown.

        The fucking mental gymnastics to say 200+ Dems joined with 8 fucking Republicans…

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    Despite all the chaos in their ranks, conservative Republicans say they have no concern that some in their party may heed the calls by Democrats to join them and elect a bipartisan speaker.

    “That’s the thing that gets you beat in a primary,” said Rep. Kevin Hern, R-Okla.

    “You’d get your a-- beat,” said Rep. Tim Burchett, R-Tenn.

    Rep. Pat Fallon, R-Texas, said those discussions have only happened outside the GOP conference, not among Republican lawmakers.

    “People can talk a big game about that. I haven’t personally heard anybody talk about that; it’s only hearsay,” he said. “But I think that’s pretty nuclear. Let’s keep this conventional.

    Entertaining the idea of working with half the House of Representatives is “going nuclear” now, while shutting down all House operations due to Republican intra-party dysfunction is “conventional.”

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      That’s after the Republican hypocrisy of “we now have to heal as a nation and work together oh BTW guys who cares there was just an insurrection caused by our side lols”

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      What all those people never acknowledge is that some seats won’t stay R.

      So while siding with Dems will hurt their Republican primary chances, could be the only way they win in a purple election is by becoming a Manchin Democrat.

      Change only the letter by your name and hope the new party blindly supports them for being an incumbent.

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    I’m so glad the Dems are finally in full “Not my clown, not my circus” mode and are making the Republicans show everyone how really bad they are at governing.

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      I think the Dems often want to minimize the hurt put on the American people. If they caved and helped establish a new speaker, they could do things like avoid another government shutdown. But while I know it would hurt Americans and I don’t want that to happen, I think it might be for the best in the long term if the Dems refuse to help out, and let the Repubs flounder for as long as it takes them to get on the same team, to show America that the GOP is fucking broken.

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      What a world, where these evil Democrats go out there and say things that demonstrably comport with reality! How dare they!

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    Democrats refuse to stick hand in toaster to get bagel GOP lodged in there, talking shit saying “who the fuck puts an uncut bagel in a toaster, no I won’t fucking reach in there, its still on.”