From the Article:
“If you think we should do it let’s go. I just hate bailing Europe out again,” Vance replied. Hegseth agreed that “I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It’s PATHETIC.” But, he added, “we are the only ones on the planet (on our side of the ledger) who can do this.”
Miller, the Trump confidant, effectively ended the conversation by saying that the president had been clear. “Green light, but we soon make clear to Egypt and Europe what we expect in return.”
Edit: The texts are released to public
“I think we are making a mistake,” wrote Vance, adding that while only 3% of US trade goes through the Suez canal, 40% of European trade does. “There is a real risk that the public doesn’t understand this or why it’s necessary,” he added. “The strongest reason to do this is, as [Trump] said, to send a message."
Vance was contending that once again the United States is doing what Europe should be.Houthis wouldn’t be attacking ships if it weren’t for the US’ meddling in the Middle East.
Waltz, a foreign policy traditionalist, said: “It will have to be the United States that reopens these shipping lanes.” But he agreed that the administration sought to “compile the cost associated and levy them on the Europeans”.
Maybe we should levy on the US the costs of the multiple refugee crises they have caused in our neighborhood
It’s Europeans fault too. For too long we followed the same line with USA on the middle east crisis, and many have no problem with the genocide that is on the work there. The neighbourhood of Europe (and now even part of it) is unstable from poverty and war, and we were fine with that.
Most of the issues really have been created by Europe. Jewish settlement was supported by the British for a long time. Not creating a Kurdish state was also a massive mistake, which has a good chance of leading to a genocide in Syria right now. Sudan was drawn up by the Brits and that mess has been in civil war for ages. Not to mention Germany with the Holocaust, forcing millions of Jews to the Palastine.
That is not to say the US is perfect, but especially the UK and France really created a lot of the fault lines.
Colonial attitudes never really went away. Not gonna play the victim here - we’re not innocent, and yeah, the U.S. screwed us over. But in the last 30-35 years, we’ve had plenty of time to fix things and create stability. But nope, war and stealing resources make more money for the powers than peace ever could.
Now everyone’s low-key prepping for WW3. Not just Europe’s military spending, but the creepiest part? People are kinda accepting in their guts that it’s gonna happen by 2030.
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History repeats. While Europe has learned from it, USA is doing everything they can to make Vance the next Franz Ferdinand.
This is why I maintain that Trump’s distancing of Europe is the biggest trust busting operation in US history. Down with the Empire.
There are no friends between countries. Only allies and benefits. You don’t shoot your legs for an ally. Help is another thing. We were supposed to be allies, but the USA überall is their new motto.
Fucking up Libya, destroying Yugoslavia, maintaining a chaos in Palestine - Israel, help invade Iraq with lies, cut ties with Russia and let Ukraine to get invaded are not things you do even for friends.
Yes, you could blame us for standing by and watching them do it and sometimes even helping, but that’s what you do when your (back then) friend asks you for help.
If you help your friend kill millions of people and keep a region where hundreds of millions live because “a friend asked you for help” then guess what? You fucking deserve the consequences.
You mean when your boss tells you to. Western Europe was colonized after WW2, not to the same dire consequences of the Warsaw pact, but we clearly were subordinate to the US.
Article 5 proved to be a bit of a trap card, because that’s the reason Europe was dragged into the post 9/11 middle eastern wars, but I guess European NATO countries could’ve just ignored it or whatever.
Only in Afghanistan was called. After 9/11. All others were voluntary. Also France, Germany and UK played a key role to many shitty things. They are not innocent but idiots who never saw the big picture.
Trump and his lackeys are showing the classic signs of fascism.
“…and in traditional Nazi fashion; one never attributes one’s losses to oneself.”
Trump: “We Americans subsidize Canada for everything.”
- Starts Needless Trade War
Trade war ensues, egg prices skyrockets due to bird-flu in combination with the self-induced trade war
Trump: hey Europeans can yall please spare some eggs?
and now for some reason they say they hate "bailing Europe out again"🤣🤣🤣
Edit:
Breaking news! I found an insider picture to the current White House:
Shit. Now they’re leaking images too?!
This would be a great moment to remind conservatives as well as everyone in general that the United States has been the only ally that has invoked Article 5 of NATO.
Not sure why they forget this as they try to pretend they are better than everyone else…
It’s a joke at this point.
9/11?
And even that shitshow was sketchy asf. I’m not saying it was an inside job but like, it seems like they took advantage of the tragedy to the fullest extent.
They used it to invade countries that had nothing to do with 9/11, while the the Saudis keep being protected.
Yes.
The arrogance is astounding.
That’s extremely concerning and should be taken at face value. And that’s what leaked, imagine what they manage to keep private.
They will use everything they have against us. I really hope European leaders and the European commission see this for what it is and act accordingly.
We need complete and definitive independence from the US, even if the next president is a democrat (if there are next presidents even).
American exceptionalism and arrogance on full display. They’re #1, and everyone else sucks. We can’t even wipe our arses without the guiding hand of the great bald eagle, they saved our arses in WWII and are responsible for taking care of everything ever in human history
I don’t like that they use the word freeloading. It doesn’t seem right…
If anything, Europe could be piggybacking on the Trump administration. Cause they are little fascist pigs ⎝˵ ͠° (●●) °͠ ˵ ⎠
How is it possible to “accidentally” add a reporter from the Atlantic magazine to a Signal group chat? You can’t tell me this wasn’t deliberate. Imho it was deliberately leaked by someone in the administration who wants to drive a wedge between the transatlantic partnership. Beneficiaries: Russia, China. Just like Vance’s hissy fit with Zelensky and his speech on Munich security conferences were all deliberately staged stunts. Vance is probably getting paid by Russia to do this.
Btw. 60% of maritime EU-China trade goes over the Suez canal, so China is also a huge beneficiary of keeping the canal open, yet China contributed absolutely nothing to keep it open, so why didn’t Vance and Hegseth call China a “freeloader”?
How is it possible to “accidentally” add a reporter from the Atlantic magazine to a Signal group chat? You can’t tell me this wasn’t deliberate.
It’s doable if you’re grossly and utterly incompetent while also being convinced that you’re the smartest bunch of people on earth (so mistakes are impossible).
Btw. 60% of maritime EU-China trade goes over the Suez canal, so China is also a huge beneficiary of keeping the canal open, yet China contributed absolutely nothing to keep it open, so why didn’t Vance and Hegseth call China a “freeloader”?
Because you can not charge an enemy as freeloader, accusing him of doing nothing to save his trade. If he is doing nothing and he is an enemy, why are you helping him then? The big picture is sending a message to Iran, they do not give a fuck about the trade, its only an excuse to send us the bill.
Btw. 60% of maritime EU-China trade goes over the Suez canal, so China is also a huge beneficiary of keeping the canal open, yet China contributed absolutely nothing to keep it open, so why didn’t Vance and Hegseth call China a “freeloader”?
China has a deal with the Houthis so they do not attack Chinese ships.
China has a deal with the Houthis so they do not attack Chinese ships.
Source?
Yeah they seem to attack just about anything that can’t fight back.
ooooh when captain america throws his mighty shield~
he surely expects some form of return
All those who oppose the shield must yield! UNLESS YOU’RE A PLANE OR A BOMB OR SOME ICE!
That’s ok. We hate your current regime as well.
Sincerely,
Europe
The trump regime, and now by extension the US, is rotten and evil to the core.
