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Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.
Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.
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Rubio is a Russian asset
lmao so the US coup’ed the USSR in the 90ies by sponsoring fascists, but somehow the US becoming fascist is because of russia?
The mental gymnastic of the jingoists I swear
So basically they (putin and trump) want more than 2022 borders. And let me guess, they also want sanctions eased and elections to install a pro-putin government? Ukraine should not make any deals with the US. The US admin is the enemy within and the enemy of democracy.
The ceasefire is just a step to get to the sanctions and elections demands. And once they have a “reason” to force those things then russia is set to continue their forever-war.So, it’s treason then
Yep, it’s treason. And it’s not just one guy.
Someone should invade Rubio’s house and demand the deed to one of his rooms before they’ll leave.
“Turns out, Russia doesn’t want to concede anything and demanded more Ukrainian land. Well, we tried. Clearly, it’s high time for Ukraine to stop getting in the way of peace.”
- Little Marco in a week
“we’ve tried nothing and we’re already out of ideas”
Without security guarantees, this isn’t a “peace” deal, it’s a capitulation and an invitation for future aggression from Russia.
What about the security “guarantees” Ukraine already had?
I guess it’s only a guarantee if it’s guaranteed at least twice? Lol.
What guarantees are those? And why are you putting them between the quote marks?
I hope Ukraine doesn’t cede anything at all.
That’s not realistic unfortunately
I think it’s more likely that Ukraine forfeits USA support and it’s probably for the best at this point. I hope CANZUK and Europe are willing and able to step up to pick up the slack.
European countries have already stated, in no uncertain terms, they required US involvement to deploy troops in Ukraine after a potential peace deal is reached.
I don’t see any peace deal happening that doesn’t involve ceding territory.
That said if I were Zelenskyy I would tell the US to pound sand and find someone else to mediate a more favourable deal, maybe Türkiye.
Türkiye would love to be the nation that resolves this.
If Zelenskyy tells the US to pound sand, the US cuts off military assistance and intelligence sharing again.
Who?
De facto yes, but not in law they don’t - no
His mom must cede territory in any piece deal
Likely true if we’re being real but… You don’t say that outloud you incompetent fucking negotiator.
Ukraine is winning. That’s why Trump has stopped supporting them on request from Putin.
If your news isn’t telling you Ukraine are currently stronger on the battlefield, change news outlets.
Russia is collapsing - this war is absolutely draining their economy. The questions are whether Ukraine could keep that momentum if the US suddenly cuts off communication media and whether continuing a war to a victorious position is worth the cost to Ukrainians. I’m not there, I don’t get any input on the decision, but I’m absolutely understanding of my Ukrainian coworker that fled the country and wouldn’t ill judge Ukraine seeking an earlier peace in exchange for concessions.
51% of respondents in December 2024 said that Ukraine should not give up any of its territories “under no circumstances… even if this would prolong the war and threaten the preservation of independence.”
https://kyivindependent.com/38-percent-ukrainians-territorial-concessions/
Russia is not collapsing, that’s European propaganda.
I doubt that, why would they agree to the cease fire if that was true
To please the royal highness Trump.
Mind sharing a source. Latest stories i see is ukraine falling back in kursk and general russian advances on the main front
Last I checked Ukraine is ceding a lot of ground in Kursk. Are you saying that’s all a lie?
Kursk is Russia - Ukraine have no intentions of keeping that land. It served its purpose of draining Russian resources well.
He’s a negotiator in the same way the drive thru person at McDonalds is a negotiator.
negotiator
I don’t believe that Rubio has earned that distinction in the slightest, even in a derogatory manner. In fact, I am pretty sure that he has only ever once walked onto a used car lot and that resulted in only two things happening. One, learning that he ought not walk onto a used car lot. And two, the true value of a high mileage Jeep.
What a massive piece of shit
Gotta give him credit for being a consistent illegal occupation supporter.
He’s treating Ukrainians now the same way he was treating Palestinians. Just cede occupied land to aggressors.
He’s threating ukrainians the same way biden was threating palestinians. Stealing land is in american’s DNA. It’s how they got their country in the first place.
“Let’s blow up the post war consensus and fuel everyone getting bombs.” This ain’t the way I thought we’d solve climate change, but making the human race extinct with nukes is certainly a way to avoid making them extinct through climate collapse.
*Putin says
