I thought the reason for trashing trade agreements and taking a wrecking ball to the Canadian economy with extreme tariffs was because of fentanyl coming from Canada at the border?

Apparently not, says Trump, from his speech at Congress tonight: “… Tariffs are about making America rich again and making America great again”.

By his own words, he has just shown his big lie.

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    So they’re illegal then?

    Trump was only able to enact these tariffs without sign off from Congress (which he would absolutely not get) because they were enacted under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. The act allows the president to apply certain controls over the economy so long as they’re in response to a national emergency. At some point a while back either Trump or Biden, I forget which, declared a state of emergency over fentanyl. Trump is now using the tiny trickle of fentanyl coming from Canada as his justification for these tariffs because has to connect them to a state of emergency to enforce them.

    If they’re actually about making America richer (no matter how wrong he is about how that works) then they need approval by congress to go into force. Every single affected business in America should have standing to sue over that.

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      Oh no, their convicted felon president who faced zero repercussions is committing another crime! I’m sure the US legal system will provide justice.

      I agree that people should be made aware, but replace “sue” with “riot”.

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        Who is they? American business owners? Because while you might see the big public players on a stage with Trump, the private sector of business is a an extremely diverse group. They don’t support Trump by virtue of their existence, just because they’re businesses.

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      Absolutely right. He knows what he’s doing. He’s messing with the law expertly for years.

      Well he went through his normally fentanyl crisis bs, then let this slip out about tariffs would make America rich.

      Americans aren’t pushing back yet because they believe his lies AND believes it will make his country rich.

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      I listened to it with my dad. Horrible. This guy is mentally ill and doesn’t comprehend what tariffs do. It will crash America’s economy and squeeze even harder the middle class there. Unless that’s what he wants…

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        It would be underestimating Trump to think he doesn’t understand what tariffs do.

        He’s backed by the richest men in the world, and he’s going scorched earth to make them richer.

        He’s not stupid; he’s greedy, nefarious and will stop at nothing to achieve his goals of making America’s richest folks even richer at the expense of everything else.

        Trump by himself is just a rambling old man. What is scary is the army of like-minded people worshipping him.

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          This. We cannot underestimate how sinister he is. He talks like he’s dumb but it’s a tactic to broaden his appeal. He’s a smart narcissist and he loves to be worshipped.

          He is being played like a violin by Russia. I don’t know if he’s too dumb to realize it, or he thinks playing with Russia will get him his own Putin like stature. Which it might!

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        Just like how noone was punished for the great recession as corporations grabbed people’s homes. They are salivating over the idea of doing that at a massive scale.

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      I don’t know of any other word to use for him than evil. Who deliberately destroys millions of lives intentionally purely for their own monetary gain?

      The problem is, many many Americans support this kind of leadership style of USA. The world needs to stop supporting America. Stop buying American products and services. America’s only goal is destroy everyone and everything else for it’s own gain.

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        It is out of compassion for others that I can only recommend the rest of the world seeks to protect itself from the madness that has spawned here.

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          We can’t protect ourselves. We have to fully engage. We have to be mad as hell, and voice ourselves loud and clear. We have to engage. With social media, friends, family, but most importantly local officials in government.

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    translation for the masses: it’s about “making america’s rich, richer”. he don’t give a fk about you or me or anyone else. just those very few at the top (and even then, he don’t care about them, either, unless they’re giving him a cut or are a pathway to power)

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        hate. he sells hate and hurt, and the maga nuts want to see certain people hurt, even at their own expense.

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          It’s true isn’t it. MAGAts just want to see other people suffer and be miserable. That’s how they feel better about their own shitty lives.

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            Literally

            He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.

            And they were already saying that in 2019

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          We all know that the maga nuts will be hurt in all of this, it is common knowledge for all of us, but they can’t envision it until it literally knocks on their door. Only then, you’ll hear them crying about it, “it was supposed to affect my neighbor, not me”.

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      But at some point these rich people will have enough and all the extra wealth will trickle down, right? Right?

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      America’s rich richer. 100%. Just eat these lies, hate people that are different from you, and then someday your life will be better. As long as you like the Russian lifestyle, that is.

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      For the non-german speakers, this is smart and funny because “Reich” (as in “third-reich”) means something like “empire”, but also “rich”.

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      If it was intended to be a dump and pump, it’s not going to work. Companies aren’t going to reestablish supply chains just to get rugpulled later. More important than price and quality is consistency. Just the uncertainty alone will have an effect for years.

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        In addition to huge costs of new plants, and finding replacements for skilled Canadian workers, there would be loss of Canadian market for those vehicles. China has better value cars, and US made cars would go way up in price to recoup those investments.

        He lost the 2020 election for screwing up the US over Covid. A bigger recession won’t help the midterms or 2028 “president for life decree”.

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    Very disturbing.

    US has an auto surplus with Canada. Vast overall trade, with exports 2% of GDP.

    Tariffs are a sales tax that is somewhat regressive. What he’s saying is more tax cuts for the rich can be financed by taxes on the non rich, but with a cost to production/output/employment too. Canada should be acting now, but sooner or later, if auto and other industry is destroyed, there are much higher value options than what’s made in US, (and we subsidize auto industry heavily) and blacklisting US goods in Canada is not going to make the US richer, even if the oligarchs get lower taxes.

    But the supremacist attitude to destroy Canada, whether or not “it pays off”, is a betrayal that needs counter actions/diplomacy with others now instead of waiting/hoping that supremacist domination will be rationalized away.

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    Alright. I guess they’ll keep them for a while then. Let’s see if they manage to pop some asset market, stock, housing, etc.

    Also @useyourvoice thanks for your first post!

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          Facebook in Canada is now getting hammered with Russian/MAGAt fake news hard. And it’s only going to get worse. Canadians NEED to get over here. We don’t need Facebook OR reddit.