• unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
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    Yeah i know, they are simply corrupt and serve the interest of tech companies looking to capitalize from those decisions. But that only makes sense on a surface level, because if we actually broke encryption like this, they themselves would be heavily negatively impacted by it. Nobody wins when all communication is backdoored. Ofcourse they would say “ah but we the important people wont have the backdoored version” but realistically that wont work.

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      Yeah i know, they are simply corrupt

      They aren’t stupid or corrupt. They have different priorities. Perfect privacy isn’t a fundamental right. It’s perfectly reasonable for some people think it is worth giving up in return for making it easier to catch criminals.

      And yes it does make it easier to catch criminals. They aren’t all tech masterminds with perfect opsec who think “oh, no E2E encryption in WhatsApp; I’d better use Signal instead”.

      I still think we should be allowed to have proper encryption. But I totally understand why some people don’t, and it isn’t because they are corrupt or stupid.

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        Yes, they are corrupt, absolutely no way to deny this without lying. Example: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/chat-control-johansson-vainly-tries-to-dismiss-lobbying-network-in-libe-committee/

        There is no way to argue against encryption without ignoring the catastrophic consequences it would bring to ban encryption. I think its fair to call it stupid if people do so anyways. Banning encryption is like nuking your own country, if you dont understand that then there is no value in talking to you.

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        Criminals will find alternatives. While consumers end up losing their rights.

        Also, just cause someone has reasons, doesn’t mean they’re not corrupt or stupid.

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          Criminals will find alternatives.

          Some criminals will find alternatives. Read my comment again and think about it some more.

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        You have no idea whether the people pushing for encryption backdoors are corrupt or not.

        Seeking to spy on everybody’s private communications could be described as corrupt by default. It could also be called a whole host of things including creepy, fascist, totalitarian.