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- hackernews@lemmy.bestiver.se
When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.
Also Firefox now has a Acceptable use policy https://www.mozilla.org/about/legal/acceptable-use/
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The only 2 words that go into my search bar are xnxx and xhamster.
Get ready for ads as well
They removed this:
{ "@type": "Question", "name": "Does Firefox sell your personal data?", "acceptedAnswer": { "@type": "Answer", "text": "Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That’s a promise. " } },Firefox already has ads. (Though you can turn them off.) As does its default search engine.
Yup. I just got one for some new Firefox feature. And Pocket has been a thing for a while, which is basically an ad engine.
I still use Firefox because I can easily disable that nonsense. I’m mostly here for engine diversity, so once a reasonable competitor exists (LadyBird? Servo?), I’ll bail.
I wonder if the “never will” part is legally binding. Most companies bend over backwards to avoid making future-looking guarantees like that.
Nah. Such permanent guarantees are not legally enforceable, if a company really cares about it they’ll structure themselves in such a way as to make it very hard to change by having veto voices in their ownership structure who are for such things and will not allow a change, by writing language that requires some high majority of agreement of these owners that’s hard to come by to change such conditions.
At best you get it in a contract when you use the software but guess what, that contract can and is overwritten as soon as you use a new version of the software with a new contract, feel free to use the old one full of one-click machine compromise vulnerabilities forever if you’d like but in reality you have no choice but to update and accept the new contract.
What’s the best fork that’s available in
apt?
Um what the fuck.
Input information THROUGH the browser and they’re granted a right to that info worldwide license to use that? To use what I type into my url bar? To use what I search? To use what I type into forms on websites? This is a more all-encompassing spying license than I think even Google has. This is absurd. This is a spyware license not that of a browser. Not only that, any files I upload, their names, any files I download their names.
Maybe they’ll sell information on who looks like they’re doing filesharing, or porn habits, or those with politics a certain US administration present or future may not like.
This is unacceptable.
People saying “oh but it’s just to use the web” well part of the way they word it, all they have to do is insert spyware/adware or AI as they commonly call it these days and suddenly oh look at that, your normal use of the browser and how the data is used includes sending it all to us or our partners for the purposes of AI/ads, etc. One tiny little change, an addition no one will remark on or notice in future and suddenly this takes on very dire implications.
The acceptable use policy is for Mozilla systems, such a pocket or ai tools, it doesn’t apply to Firefox (according to a Firefox forum response)
When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.
I’m trying to parse this. If you take the basic bits, they’re saying they can do anything with the info you give them.
When you upload or input information through Firefox (anything you do), , you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information.
The rest is just justification for the first part. They basically can use it in anyway they see fit.
Do these rights apply to forks?
Edit: These are the 2 I’m concerned about in the Acceptable Use policy:
- Violate the copyright, trademark, patent, or other intellectual property rights of others,
- Violate any person’s rights of privacy or publicity,
That means corporations can go after you for either.
It’s time to move to LibreWolf I guess…
Even if you go though and adjust settings it is still better than stock Firefox
I guess we will be seeing our old friends Iceweasel, Icecat, Fennec, etc. again.
Just be mindful of security patching
This just means they can use the information you input in order for Firefox to work the way you expect it to. The purpose of the information collection is clearly stated:
to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.
If Mozilla wants to limit their use of my input, why the do I need to give them a full, non-exclusive license?
Wouldn’t just ”exclusive” be the word that your argument would be better with?
So that they can process all your input.
“Something something AI”
Firefox works just fine without the ToS change. They are up to something.
But what does that actually mean? It just sounds as vague and non descriptive as possible, which is the worrisome part legally
wtf Mozilla :(
Removed by mod
In the privacy policy they state how and why they collect data. They also say how to potentially stop giving them this data
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/#to-adapt-firefox-to-your-needs
Not sure how honest & reliable this is. It’s bad enough that they decided for this.
What’s an alternative like Libre Wolf for android?
Ironfox
Fennec although it isn’t hardened.
pacman -S w3m
looking for conflicting packages... Package (1) New Version Net Change Download Size extra/w3m 0.5.3.git20230713_1-1 2,06 MiB 0,98 MiB Total Download Size: 0,98 MiB Total Installed Size: 2,06 MiB :: Proceed with installation? [Y/n] Y
