I think he should be deported from the US
I hope that you can’t take away someone’s citizenship with a petition
Obviously the petition is to compel Parliament, or whoever is responsible, to take action to do so. I see this sentiment but I think it’s misplaced. The petition is to bring it to the attention of politicians who typically have a blind spot on these things and may not understand or be aware of public sentiment.
There’s no mechanism for a petition to do anything directly. But we all know that. I’m personally immediately suspicious of any attempts to create confusion on this issue. It seems to be disinformation.
I’ll sign.
Though I do think that something like a petition having the power to actually revoke a person’s citizenship is draconian, and should never actually happen in Canada, I do support the sentiment.
Though I do think that something like a petition having the power to actually revoke a person’s citizenship is draconian, and should never actually happen in Canada, I do support the sentiment.
You can rest easy, there’s no mechanism for a petition to do anything except draw attention from those who can.
TIL he has one. Yep, I’m signing. And maybe putting up QR codes so other people can too.
That scammer fucker has Canadian citizenship?
Yeah his mom was Canadian, he moved here to go to a Canadian uni, and work on his aunts farm.
Through his mother if I recall correctly
Sadly I’m not a Canadian, but I hope that this goes through. Would be hilarious.
I don’t want a country where a mob can get a large enough petition to strip someone of citizenship on that basis.
Me neither but that’s not what’s happening. The petition is not the basis for the action. The basis for the petition is the basis for the action, and the petition is a tool to demonstrate public support for the action.
I won’t be signing it, though. This will help no one and I’d rather spend our political capital on things that do.
There was a situation in Switzerland where the people in the canteen didn’t like this woman so they refused to approve her citizenship.
Approving is not the same as removing.
I remember that. I heard her on a podcast, can’t remember the details though.
Maybe this is where all the 51st state talk is coming from. If Canada joins the USA then he’ll suddenly be eligible to officially become president.
Elon Musk was not born in Canada. He is South African. A lot else about him should make sense once you realize that.
Isn’t he already the president, well I mean at least pulling all the strings with no repercussions? Mind you the Donvict doesn’t seem to have any repercussions yet.
Don’t you have to be born in the US to become president there?
No. Just be a natural born citizen and to have been a resident for the past 14 years. Natural born citizens are those with birthright citizenship, and people who are the children of citizens have birthright citizenship, no matter where they are born.
Elon is a heridatary citizen of Canada, and so would be a natural born citizen of the US if we joined the union.
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Seems the consensus now is a natural born citizen is one with birthright citizenship; so anyone born to a US citizen counts as well.
If the USA successfully annexes Canada Musk would qualify since he was born to a Canadian citizen who would now be a US citizen.
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To be “natural born”, you have to be born either inside the United States or to somebody that was a US citizen at the time.
If you have 11 children and become a US citizen, your children are not automatically citizens as well. They have to apply.
I would rather he be prosecuted for treason, though I acknowledge that would require us to already be at war with the US (so he could be shown to be aiding the enemy). Too many innocent people (especially activists) could be affected by the precedent this would set-- especially the next time a Conservative government comes to power, though I could even see the Liberal Party mirroring Europe’s recent police harassment of Palestinian-friendly journalists if not Trump’s deportations of activists for Palestinians’ human rights that Poilièvre would likely copy. Despite seeing myself as Canadian all of my life and being here for decades, I already feel less safe in this country, considering rising fascist sentiments like these out there. I’m not eligible for citizenship in the country of my birth either. I know the backlash from just stripping him of his citizenship outright would be directed to people like me.
This is pretty much the issue: laws have to apply to people I dislike as much as they apply to people I like. That’s precisely why we have a constitution, etc.
As much as I dislike Elon and co, he deserves due process as much as everyone else.
laws have to apply to people I dislike as much as they apply to people I like.
Is that the case today?
Eh, I hate nazis as much as the next gal, but I’m really not sure it would be lawful to revoke someone’s citizenship for political reasons.
That was my first reaction too. Did you read the text of the petition? What he’s doing isn’t just politics, he’s actively working to erase Canada. There must be some level of anti-Canada behaviour (really bad phrasing, but I can’t think of anything better and you know what I mean) that warrants revocation of citizenship?
- Elon Musk has engaged in activities that go against the national interest of Canada;
- He has used his wealth and power to influence our elections;
- He has now become a member of a foreign government that is attempting to erase Canadian sovereignty; and
- The attempts of Elon Musk to attack Canadian sovereignty must be addressed.
Perhaps. But the first and second points are allegations that would probably need to be proven in court. I’m not a jurist, but I’ve got a feeling it wouldn’t be so simple.
From what I can tell, he would have to have acquired the citizenship fraudulently, and he didn’t.
There used to be a mechanism for the citizenship of people convicted of treason, spying, and terrorism offences to be revoked, but it was repealed in 2018.
I would like to think the rule of law still applies here.
I gotta say I don’t know if it’s the same when you’re ultra wealthy, but for commoners it’s required to pledge allegiance to the king/queen to gain citizenship as well.
Oh shit. I’m not a citizen yet, only a PR. Was planning to apply as soon has I reach 3 years. I’ll struggle with that. I’m Australian, so I was born with an allegiance to the British monarch, but to actually say it - urgh.
Yeah, I know British guy who recently became a citizen, and he said it was pretty weird.
Don’t tolerate the intolerant. It’s time to take the kid gloves off and be nasty to these people.
Thank you for this sobering point. It’s easy to let your hate of someone open the gates to fascism. I mean, that’s basically what this whole thing (gestures vaguely south) is about.
The US can designate non profit aid as terrorists but Canada can’t revoke the citizenship of a political terrorist? US is playing by different rules now. Are Canadian politicians going to be as spineless as US Liberals. Doesn’t sound like a winning strategy.
Why did he have it in the first place?
His family has a lot of Canadian ties. His mother is Canadian and his grandfather moved to South Africa from Canada because we weren’t apartheid enough.
I see ty
how likely is this to work and how many people need to sign?
0%. Governments don’t do things because people signed a petition. In this case, I’m not even sure it’s legally possible. Musk has a Canadian mother. He’s Canadian by birthright.
If the UK can have a refurendum for brexit why can’t Canada have one to kick out Elon?
It sucks that you’re right.
Note that an election must happen this year and some parties are really itching for one. All petitions get flushed away when parliament is dissolved, so high chance we will see no action from Parliament on this.
