• Coelacanth@feddit.nu
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    With a title like that I was expecting something more than making some items weightless and giving you the ability to send stuff to camp and disassemble from anywhere. I mean it’s nice but, these are all features other games have already done are they not?

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      They are, you’re correct. I don’t think it would work in every game either. Inventory management can be a powerful tension and choice device and getting rid of that isn’t always a good thing.

      Extreme inventory QOL often just turbo charges hoarding behavior and makes individual items feel meaningless. Just pop it in the bag, who cares, it’s all weightless anyway!

      Don’t get me wrong, sometimes easy inventory is great, but I think inventory management gets a worse response than it deserves a lot these days.

      /rant

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        In Avowed they focus on management of weapons and armor as a tool for discretionary encumbrance. These items directly effect gameplay and therefore matter more to the player.

        The smaller items that are all weightless effect gameplay indirectly and would make managing encumbrance a bit more convoluted.

        Seeing as Avowed is more of a boiled-down rpg than what it is directly compared to (Skyrim), that extra time spent managing trivial items in an inventory just seems like a waste when the game itself is really trying to be a streamlined version of meatier rpgs.

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          Great points! I think you’re spot on that a streamlined RPG would benefit from easy inventory management. I’ll have to learn more about the armor and weapon system you talk about cause I’m curious to hear how it works.

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            Yeah it really just works kinda like i said, but the game also does a good job of organizing items so you can easily tell if you have more than necessary.

            Another example of streamlining is the stamina system. It is limited in a fight to create a sense of balance and progression as you upgrade it… But when running around the world it is unlimited.

            This is nice because it does not hinder traversal and imo worrying about stamina as i explore takes more away from the experience than it adds to it.

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              That’s interesting about the stamina. I agree that having to constantly start and stop sprinting isn’t a great solution and it’s never felt quite right to me either. The only games where it feels like it adds anything are ones where running out is dangerous. For general exploration it’s kind of a chore.

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        Inventory management can be a powerful tension and choice device and getting rid of that isn’t always a good thing.

        Do you have a good example? Inventory management has always been tiring and annoying for me

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          One example I like is Dredge. If you took away inventory management from that game, you would basically destroy its whole economy and progression system. It would also get rid of the interesting way they make having tons of equipment mean you can’t carry as much at once, creating a tradeoff.

          I think one thing people get mixed up is the limitation side of a limited inventory – which is often a good thing for creating choices, tension, and pacing – and the physical action of sorting and arranging an inventory. This second one is a perfect place to streamline in my opinion because while the limitations on inventory create meaningful choices, having to spend a while rearranging your stuff to fit something in is very rarely good gameplay. You might already be making this distinction, but I wanted to clarify that just in case.

          Inventory size/weight capacity is essentially a resource to manage, and I’m a big proponent of resource management in games (and this is coming from a designer who tried to get rid of and streamline resources for years – it has some major downsides).

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              The first one, the icy one, is just alright. It gives you another area basically that’s about as much content as the 5 base game areas. The new one the iron rig is pretty fun, though I thought. If you really like dredge I’d say get both.

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      I was going to say the same thing. A “send to camp” button, scrap button, and most small stuff is weightless, is the sum of the articles praise.

      For sure a nice quality of life feature if the focus of your RPG is elsewhere, but there are games where the choice of what to carry and keep is a driving part of the gameplay.

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    Interface looks very similar to SkyUI 🧐

    Those features though, I hope other RPGs consider them carefully:

    • You can send items from inventory to your home base with a single click
    • Consumables don’t weight anything so you can carry infinite potions

    This is just way too casual/reductionist imo. At least make some mechanic that justifies sending items. Like an item teleportation spell or something. Imo it’s okay if some RPGs will be as convenient as this, but asking for every RPG to be like this is just too much.

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      Its not casual enough to me. I hate inventory management and prefer to get to the game. I like a collection system were once you have it you can always destroy it and re-recall any time you want. Its fine if you have to go home or stuff with it. For perm things anyway. For consumables I like the way elden ring did it where you unlock a capacity and then choose how to dole it out again in a collection way in that once you have unlocked a potion its an option.

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        Sure, I sometimes prefer simpler systems too. It depends on what I want to play currently. I’m more trying to say we need all kinds of games. Imo, complexity and flexibility of all those systems, like character stats, perks, inventory, etc - is what makes “RPG” an “RPG”. If you take a bit of it away it becomes an “ARPG” like “soulslikes” and other similar games. If you take even more of it away you get “slasher”, “3d platformer”, etc. I’m a big fan of ARPG and 3d platformers like Spyro or Soul Reaver, but it’s totally different kind of games.

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          I mean some mmo’s do the collection thing although I find a lot of that is do to more and more stuff every year making it a necessity. I see what you mean. Games need to be out there for everyone but man I was never like. Oh man I love how much I have to manage my inventory in this game.

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            Oh man I love how much I have to manage my inventory in this game.

            I’m currently playing Skyrim and I kinda dislike fast travel after Morrowind. It felt more interesting to figure out the best way to quickly travel from point A to point B because that involved mark/recall, mage guild teleports, propylons, silt striders, boats, etc. It was interesting logistics mini puzzle, and some of it you had to plan before traveling somewhere, (like the best place to cast “mark” spell). I guess inventory management can be like that too, it can come in different forms like having to play tetris with inventory slots in systems like Diablo, or balancing carry burden between companions in your party in games like Skyrim, or deciding between extended herbalism bags vs smaller general purpose bags in games like World of Warcraft.

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              Travel I get more. The scenary can be cool. That being said I like the overland to be mostly optional (I mean I get having to unlock as you progress). I do have my own oddities. I usually like to play magic user type characters so I would always preference moving by mage guild or church over beast transports even over using a more efficient method so I get people having their own things they find fun. It was always in my head like. Im gonna teleport because I have magic. I don’t ride horses. Neverwinter online had a neat mount system were you could have like magical disks and such as alternatives. I did not like that game overall though :)

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    Well, that article succesfully turned me off even trying the game… It’s a list of immersion breaking stuff that makes it impossible to forget it’s just a computer game…

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    The packmule in Dungeon Siege was a good integrated inventory mechanic.

    A good game knows to explain game mechanics with lore. Games that break the 4th wall and by knowing they’re games tend to struggle to be immersive. It can really obliterate environmental storytelling too.

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    You can’t drop items in the game and you can’t see item comparisons. Surely, this is less about design choice or more about band-aiding their archaic inventory system?