• Rowan Thorpe@lemmy.ml
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    This whole instance-tribalism seems very self-defeating to me. Why be decentralised if everyone ends up so boxed off that there are just a handful of isolated instance-clusters talking amongst themselves? It’s like how email (SMTP) is decentralised but the mega-hosts act like a cabal, gatekeeping so strongly (and virtually doing blocklist-by-default for unrecognised servers - even of good standing) ultimately capturing the user-base by undermining the decentralisation. Luckily with DKIM/SPF/DMARC/ARC/etc and stronger anti-trust regulations email seems to be slowly climbing back out of that hole. Unfortunately with all the banal tribalism it feels like much of the new Activitypub based tech users are willfully climbing into that same hole, without even being corralled there by mega-hosts.

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      You would think so. But .world cannot help themselves from slinging their shit over the fence.

      Their mods remove posts critical of .world for “harassment” but gladly leave up blanket insults against instances more left wing than them.

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        Lemmy.world seem to be more middle-of-the-road on many things while Lemmy.ml and Hexbear seem pretty intolerant to me

        I think it was on Lemmy.ml that I saw someone have their posts deleted allegedly for spreading US propaganda or some reason like that, when all they had said was that the war in Ukraine was started by Russia invading Ukraine in 2014 (I’m pretty sure this is factually true and Ukraine didn’t invade any of Russia until 2024)

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          .world has a Zionist rating website (mbfc) as their “allowed sources” list. Tolerance is very subjective.

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      I think communities similar to reddit and lemmy are doomed. The site was never the biggest issue, it was the people.

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    Regardless of whether you’re politically left or right, I feel like the hexbear crowd is just tremendously unfriendly. Even when I agree with them, I usually feel bad reading what they have to say. Being unwelcoming is not a good strategy for proliferating one’s politics.

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      Depends, if you’re a Communist or an Anarchist and aren’t being sectarian (except against, like, Gonzaloists that support Gonzalo and defend Pol Pot), it’s very friendly. By not allowing liberalism, it ends up stopping endless arguments between leftists and liberals before they can even start.

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    Am I taking crazy pills? Last I heard hexbear doesn’t even exist anymore.

    Are yall so laser focused on feudposting you missed that piece of news?

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      Hexbear exists, the domain is changing names and federation is broken for now but posting is still happening on chapo.chat.

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      Am I taking crazy pills? Last I heard hexbear doesn’t even exist anymore.

      It’s wild how much a game of telephone happens even within what you’d expect to be the closest circle of association

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      I had to check but hexbear currently redirects to chapo.chat so I assume they have the domain for now.

      Which says a lot about the manufactured outrage. Nobody even has a clue what is going on over at hexbear, but somehow their Lemmy experience is ruined by it.

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        I had to check but hexbear currently redirects to chapo.chat so I assume they have the domain for now.

        Not for me it doesn’t, I can access it fine.

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      Hmm, I was wondering why I didn’t see them (last I knew, my instance didn’t defederate them). What happened?

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          The former admins still have control of the domain and can’t be reached. Stop saying shit when you haven’t done any investigation.

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    That’s why the folks really worried about tankies make alt accounts to go hunting for bad takes to share with the unfederated.

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    World is federated, just not with absolute junk instances.

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      The point is that Lemmy.world defederated from Hexbear, so the complaints about Hexbear coming from Lemmy.world users frequently are based on second-hand information.

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    I got permabanned from Hexbear for simply denouncing ageism. Apparently not falling for the divisive labels they stick on every generation so they can blame each other is not tolerated.

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      The only people who let Trump win the election are the democrats. We spent years telling them what they need to do to win, instead they chose to end covid protections, divert covid funds to the police, build Trump’s wall, facilitate genocide, and other extremely unpopular policy.

      They knew these policies were unpopular among everyone who might vote democrat, they chose to do it anyway.

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          hahahahaaa your genocide friends made it happen. Tonedeaf horrible people. you want people with a conscience to vote for genociders?

          the palestiniens and the rest of world is owned.

          Jeez AFAIK there is somewhat of a ceasefire and all Gaza was destroyed and 10000’s killed under Genocide Joe. And the world is a better place with the orange clown destroying the US imperialist from within. You’re completely ignorant. Let me guess, algerian-french uncle Tom?

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        I’m now even american you idiot. I’m from one of the country your pedophile-president wants to annex lol.

        Palestine thank you for letting bilionaires-nazis take the power! Now they lost their land and an ethical genocide is on the way but you and your friends will soon get the chance to go get a bigmac in gaza!!! How exiting for colonialist privilege white ass like you, writing from mom basement!!!

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            C’est toi l’imbécile qui est incapable d’apprendre plus d’une langue… Moi j’en parlais déjà trois à dix ans. Oh, et ta maman a appelé, il n’y avait plus a captn crunch, elle à pris des frootloops.

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        What I think is that your selfish privilege under-educated americans who are the stupidest people on the planet but believe to be the smartest. For the entire world, you and maga are exaclty the same stupid people, who are threatning the very survival of the specie. You chose a a nazi pedophile to own the libs, you will have the dictator you deserve, good luck lol.

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        I mean, if bots are now claiming that putin is a POS dictator and that China doesn’t care about human rights, then LET THERE BE BOTS!!

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    Imagine thinking hexbear is “woke”. Literally just cosplaying Nazis.

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      Hexbear is Communist/Anarchist, not fascist. They are quite “woke” if “woke” means supporting LGBTQ rights and ethnic minority rights. If you think Communism/Anarchism are fascist, then you might want to read Blackshirts and Reds.

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        Yeah, lemmy.ml is the exact same situation, so your opinion is akin to Putin letting me know the Russians are really trustworthy.

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          If you don’t trust me, then you can probably trust Dr. Michael Parenti, who wrote Blackshirts and Reds. The first couple chapters are all you really need to understand the major and critical differences between Communism and fascism, and why ever conflating the two makes no sense whatsoever in theory or in history.

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            But the members aren’t communists. They’re republicans. With a pretty clear agenda. They can play pretend outwardly, but if you’ve seen enough internal posts and commentary it’s painfully obvious. Not to mention they don’t give a shit about communistic ideals, they literally just fawn over fascism and it’s historic leaders.

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              The members of what are republicans? What on Earth are you talking about? Who is fawning over fascism and fascist leaders? What is this incoherent rant talking about?

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                Ah, okay, we’re going to play that game. Have a good one, and fuck tankies. 😘

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                  What “game?” The only “game” I can see is you jumping through hoops to justify not having to explain your conspiracy theories and to avoid reading books that would help you understand the world around you. The “game” seems to be seeing how long you can intentionally keep your head in the sand.

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    Don’t know what to tell you folks who keep constantly posting non-constructive conversations by just blaming everything on capitalism. No solutions other than offering communism, rioting, and constantly bitching. That gets old.

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      No solutions other than offering a solution.

      You’re literally using a communist platform right now. Owned and run by “the workers”, and free to use.

    • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
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      Welcome to a tutorial on how to block .ml on your personal account.

      In the top right corner of the top of the page, there are 3 horizontal white bars. Click it.

      This will open up a drop down menu. At the bottom of that menu, you will see your username. Click it.

      This will open another drop down menu with 3 options. Click “Settings”.

      At the top of your screen you will see 2 tabs. Click the one that says “Blocks”.

      Here you will see “Block user” “Block community” and “Block instance”. Click the down arrow below “Block instance”.

      This will open up a search bar. Type “lemmy.ml” and click it after it shows up.

      That’s it! You’ve blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance. Now you don’t need to make a feud post every day complaining about .ml and other instances you disapprove of. Think of all the time you will save!

      But wait, we aren’t done yet in this menu. Click the down arrow under “Block user”. Now type “UltraGiGaGigantic” Make sure you select my .ml account as the other ones I no longer use. Thanks, appreciate it.

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      They are not as extreme, but you cannot realistically have a civilized discussion on their servers. Unfortunately they are much more established with several big communities which are hesitant to move to more reasonable servers so while hexbear was an easy insta-ban for me and most other Lemmy users, we’re stuck individually blocking ml users for now.

      But hopefully because of the idiotic choice of the ml domain, they will eventually go the way of hexbear.

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      Nah world is full of liberals but they get real uppity when you start going after liberalism from the left

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        This is partly why I’ve chosen a different instance other than .world. I can control what is and isn’t in my feed, and it’s not like contemporary American centrist liberals have the best ideas when it comes to the current political landscape.

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        That’s a dilemma, how to know if someone yelling everything they don’t like is lib & woke is either a maga or a tankie

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          Tankies don’t scream woke, they only scream lib. Hope that helps

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            They don’t scream woke but they still hate discussions about marginalized communities because they are all privileged white class reductionists.

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              But it makes sense once you think about it. The patriarchy is about ten or twenty times as old as capitalism (depending on the definition). Of cause it will disappear once capitalism is abolished. Racism is about twice as old as capitalism. How could it function without capitalism once again?
              But tbf hexbear does have a sizable trans community

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            It was more of a rhetorical question, no need to differentiate, synonyms and analogous terms can live in the same bucket

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        You know how nazis always complain that people call them nazis and that it’s losing any meaning?

        Yeah, same thing.

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          You know how Nazis always complain about woke stuff which does not exist in their life but they only read about?

          Yeah, same thing.

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      They’re the reddit users that think reddit 2024 is too left wing.

      They’re the reddit users that believe the only thing wrong with reddit is too many ads.

      They’re the reddit users that think voting is an effective measure in a captured kakistocracy.

      They’re the reddit users that believe Biden is most left wing president in US history.

      In short, yes.

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        They’re the reddit users that think voting is all you can do to end fascism.

        They’re the reddit users that think if you question authority you must love the other party’s authority.

        They’re the reddit users that think anything to the left of them must be ignored, and anything to the right of them is just misunderstood.

        .world has more insufferable people than any other community, it has the most spots on my blocklist. I’d block the entire thing if it didn’t cripple my hobby communities and some of the few good ones from it.

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            I don’t understand it. Sometimes you agree with someone, you get downvoted and they get upvoted. Or vice versa. Or you’re downvoted like crazy, you come back after a few hours, the tallies are swapped.

            I don’t get lemmy sometimes.

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          Commies always have huge block lists. It’s like their own private little gulag for thought crimes.

          I’m glad you’re not the majority.