ID: WookieeMark @EvilGenXer posted:

"OK so look, Capitalism is right wing.

Period.

If you are pro-capitalism, you are Right Wing.

There is no pro-capitalist Left. That’s a polite fiction in the US that no one can afford any longer as the ecosystem is actually collapsing around us."

  • liyunxiao@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    41·
    1 day ago

    If you think capitalism is normal, needed, or functional, you don’t know the definition of capitalism.

    • MudMan@fedia.io
      42·
      1 day ago

      Look, the only reason I don’t go around mockingly asking Americans (including purported American leftists) what’s a socialist or a social democrat is that fascists have sullied the “define your concept” idea by being transphobes. Don’t force my hand.

      The hilarious part of this little online LARP thing some Americans like to do is that I’ve lived with actual, card-carrying communists being a permanent fixture in congress (and at points in government coalitions) and not once have I heard them spout this stuff. Mock socdems for not being lefty enough? Sure. Accuse them of having the same policies as demochristians on this or that? Totally. Argue and infight about one-off issues until they split so much that they become a fizzy foam of personal parties? Constantly.

      But this implication that the immediate and sole goal is some hypothetical revolution that is on the cusp of happening via some marginal political action that doesn’t involve or need to involve institutional participation? “Capitalism/anticapitalism” as a strict binary where no action shall be taken before the dismantling of the capitalist system? Yeah, not even from the strict anarchists operating exclusively on assemby-based decisionmaking, man. It’s like flat Earth stuff, you never know how much of it is genuine human weirdness and how much is trolling.

      • liyunxiao@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        1 day ago

        As a certified not American, dengism is fine once you establish a socialist state, but capitalism by itself without a socialist state that has full control will always turn into fascism. No country has ever become socialist from capitalist peacefully or by working within capitalism. It can’t happen, or if it can it certainly is beyond the top scholars ability to figure out.

        Capitalism is a poison. It cannot exist in a future where humans do. The goal of every person should be to dismantle capitalism in every way they can, until we finally agree as a species that there isn’t a master race and there shouldn’t be.

        There are only a handful of socialist countries that have survived the constant invasions and assassinations required for capitalism to continue functioning; instead of pretending there’s a different way than what they did, why not learn from them, including their formative mistakes, and work to take the same action?

        Real socialists and communists know what happens when you utilize capitalist institutions, especially the paradox that is liberal democracy, to try to third way your way to change. You get killed.

        • MudMan@fedia.io
          2·
          1 day ago

          Well, I guess that’s another thing in common with flat Earth. In the absence of evidence you just tend to assume any participant is American and underestimate how badly American cultural imperialism is spreading its garbage elsewhere.

          • liyunxiao@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            1·
            1 day ago

            No, all of western Europe tends to think the same as Americans. All your brains were fried by American propaganda for decades to the point the few good ideas you implemented that were stolen from the Soviets you’re starting to abandon. How soon will the NHS in the UK be privatized again?

            Yes, you’re all slightly better in that you don’t have laws to arrest communists and you’ve figured out that if you work together good things happen, but let’s be honest billionaires still own your countries, not the other way round.