• frozenspinach@lemmy.mlEnglish
    35·
    3 days ago

    Daily reminder that Brave uses Chromium, an open source project where all the commits are approved or denied by Google devs.

  • 4am@lemm.ee
    139·
    4 days ago

    Brave? The browser that hides ads and substitutes their own? The one that keeps you private from Google AdSense so they can sell your data themselves? The one that keeps their Chromium build lean, so that you don’t notice the crypto miner running along side of it?

    The fucking PayPal Honey of browsers? When the fuck did they ever look good? They’re like the “Banzai Buddy” of the HTML5 era

    • LWD@lemm.ee
      16·
      4 days ago

      Brave still does include ads enabled by default. You need to disable sponsored images in the New Tab page.

    • yonder@sh.itjust.works
      63·
      3 days ago

      Vanilla Firefox is not clean either. It

      • Has sponsored articles on new tabs
      • Uses Google by default

      Though, these are trivial to disable and even come pre-done on the linux distro I’m using to writ this comment.

      • unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml
        1·
        3 days ago

        Honestly, I’m fine with Google being the default search engine (since they pay a lot for the priviledge and it’s trivial to remove). What I acrually have a problem with is Firefox using Google Firebase for analytics and Google whatever for “safe search” queries, etc. These are a lot more hidden, which I find borderline malicious. With the search engine you at least get the notification of “fuck I’m on Google” whenever you search for something, so it doesn’t do all that much harm since it’s very opaque, unlike having to refer people to ffprofiles to purge google completely.

        On that note - if you want to get rid of Google from Firefox as much as possible visit ffprofiles. It has it all nicely explained. You just tick some boxes and apply the profile as per the ~5-step instructions. You’ll be done in less than 20 minutes.

    • redfellow@sopuli.xyz
      913·
      4 days ago

      Haven’t found anything on Android to replace it with, and on Desktop swapped to it after Chrome Manifest V3.

      I work as a web dev, and after the install I just disabled the wallet etc, and am left with a browser with native quick dark mode toggle, built in support for ublock lists, and otherwise familiar Chrome experience, with full extension support and foldable device support.

      Firefox has certain UI/UX choices I dislike, and they are behind in implementing lots of features (that are rarely an issue to non devs).

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
        6·
        4 days ago

        I feel you. I use Firefox on Android (technically Mull), and it’s generally pretty good. It does seem like some sites don’t work properly on mobile Firefox that work fine on desktop, but I haven’t looked into why (and I’m guessing it’s those missing features you’re talking about).

        • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
          9·
          4 days ago

          Im guessing the website hasn’t been optimized for mobile.

          You’re blaming your car for the roadwork.

          • redfellow@sopuli.xyz
            25·
            4 days ago

            I’m blaming a browser that hasn’t implemented as many standards as it’s competitors, and choosing therefore to use a free car that runs well on said roads.

                • kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  2·
                  3 days ago

                  How many of these “lacking features” are actually standardized? Of course some draft under development by Google will only work in the latest version of Chrome. It might not even work in future versions of Chrome, since it’s not standardized.

                  If you built something that requires such a feature, it’s you who is choosing to write code that is incompatible with the standards and only works on a particular browser version. You can’t blame others for that.

                • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
                  32·
                  4 days ago

                  I’m sorry. I don’t think you understand the relationship between a browser and a websites settings.

                  If a website is not made to be compatible with a certain browser, that is the websites fault. Not the browser.

                  That link is a wall of checkboxes with no explanation, btw.

                  (Also, not touching Chrome. Pretty sorry for you that you’re defending it so much.)

      • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
        2·
        3 days ago

        Are Firefox’s UX choices bad, or do you just want it to be another copy of Chrome and refuse to learn something new?

        The fact that Firefox on Android actually supports extensions is more than enough reason for me to choose it over a chromium version.

        • redfellow@sopuli.xyz
          11·
          3 days ago

          In a perfect world the UI would be customizable to the extent that I feel at home and don’t need to unlearn and relearn patterns ingrained in my brain. For me those patterns are very relevant as I work in the field and every time the tools force me to spend more time working around them instead of with them, lead to loss of efficiency.

          Extension support exists in some Chrome based browsers, too. Kiwi Browser also comes to mind.

          Remote debugging is also important to me, and even though you can install Chrome dev tools in Firefox, it doesn’t work with remote debugging.

          • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
            3·
            3 days ago

            It “working for you and not against you” in this case is mostly down to just getting used to it. It’s the same issue people have switching to Linux. Linux is the better and easier option, but if you expect it to work exactly like Windows then you’ll have a bad time. If you attempt to learn how it works then it’s great.

            Firefox is fairly customizable, but most of that’s hidden and you need to do some searching online and digging. You can also use something like Floorp.

      • Zagorath@aussie.zone
        44·
        4 days ago

        Personally I really want to use one browser across all my systems so I can get tab and bookmark syncing. But Firefox is just so bad on both Android and iPad OS.

        On my phone, I try and do the “framed” daily game. You start typing your guess and it pops up autocomplete suggestions. Except if I’m on Android on my phone, where I start typing and nothing happens. Even the letter I typed doesn’t appear in the text box. The browser just completely freezes. On every other browser I’ve tried, including Firefox on desktop, it works perfectly. It also seems to have worse touch targets than other browsers. If I go to a poorly-mobile-optimised site in other browsers on Android, such as Lemmy’s web UI, somehow other browsers are just really good at knowing what I was trying to click on. I can quite easily tap a small button or link that’s near other buttons or links, and I manage to get the right one. In Firefox that doesn’t happen. Much more often if I try that, the wrong link gets clicked, and I have to go back and pinch to zoom before carefully clicking what I wanted.

        The iPad OS experience is not as fundamentally broken as that, but is instead just…clumsy. On some sites I’ll scroll and elements of the page will move about or images will resize, in ways they don’t on other browsers. More than once it has caused me to click something I didn’t intend because it moved into the place that what I wanted was previously.

        I really want to like Firefox. On desktop it’s a particularly good experience, being able to install real extensions without Chrome’s restrictions, while not shoving AI slop down your throat like Edge does these days. But it’s just so very hard to fully commit when the experience on my phone is so poor.

  • Aviandelight @mander.xyz
    873·
    4 days ago

    I have been using Brave for the last year and I did like it as a mobile browser. But today I noticed that when I was searching about abortion and etopic pregnancy (fact checking a really dumb article) that all of a sudden their AI crap was throwing “no results available” errors. I checked some other left leaning topics and sure enough it no longer gives you AI results. So I immediately uninstalled that shit from my phone because fuck them.

  • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    403·
    4 days ago

    “Was getting tired Brave, and noticed they mentioned Firefox in their ads. Was curious what that was and upon launching Firefox, immediately I felt something, my disappointment is no longer immeasurable, and my day is no longer ruined!”

    brave = 0/5 🤮

    Firefox = 6/5 😎

    • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      181·
      4 days ago

      I mean, you could do this with anything

      nazism:

      -✅️ Very terrifying and intimidating uniforms

      Every other ideology:

      -❌️ Does not have terrifying and intimidating uniforms*

      *According to opinions of career nazis

      This is what Brave is doing 🙄

      • Ephera@lemmy.mlEnglish
        7·
        3 days ago

        Well, actually it should be:

        -❌️ Limited or no terrifying and intimidating uniforms

        Firefox does block trackers by default, but apparently that’s “limited protection”, according to who the fuck knows, so it gets the ❌.

    • LWD@lemm.ee
      17·
      4 days ago

      Kind of funny they list their built-in, paid VPN as a positive feature and not a negative. Maybe they were running out of good things to say about… Themselves.

      Granted, Mozilla also shot themselves in the foot by saying Firefox was better for not blocking ads by default, but that’s a different story for a different day

    • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
      121·
      4 days ago

      Points 1 and 2 are absolutely on FF. You can also set it to private by default. This is not a factual graphic.

      • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
        21·
        3 days ago

        Firefox started blocking YouTube ads without plugins?

        You can also set it to

        Grandma isn’t going to go into security settings. I really with FF would just make it the default on install.

        Everything in that list can easily be made the same, but they’re not the same without some basic knowledge of wanting it.

        • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
          11·
          3 days ago

          Grandma isn’t going to use Brave either.
          Nor is she going to click on ads to “earn” crypto coins.

    • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
      5·
      3 days ago

      The real good: Baked in Youtube ad-blocking with a full dev team playing keep up with youtube Better at anti-fingerprinting Built-in mediocre TOR support.

      The real bad: They will sell your data. They will sell your data from their VPN

      The rest of their bad is optional. Don’t use them for search and don’t use their crypto.

      If you’re going to use them, at least keep a fully equivalently outfitted copy of firefox, you don’t want to get stuck if they finally decide to turn full evil.

  • lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de
    11·
    3 days ago

    Firefox is my main browser, but I occasionally need a Chromium browser for technical reasons. I had been using Brave - note the past tense there. Any suggestions for my new secondary browser?

  • Viatorem@lemmygrad.ml
    5·
    3 days ago

    used brave for like a year, saved up however much in their stupid coin and when i went to get it, my browser reset how many ads i saw.