Tbf, hot dogs aren’t exactly a luxury food, Gawaltney (sp) sells packs for (well it used to be 99¢/8dogs, but it’s probably risen since covid, prob $2ish now.) Sure those are the worst dogs and they coat your mouth in a weird film when you eat them, but if I was a starving north korean I’m not holding out for Sabrets.
They also have a longer shelf life than you’d likely be comfortable with due to the preservatives, they’re fully cooked in the package so if you don’t have power you can eat 'em cold, easily and cheaply mass producible, and lets be honest, other than gawaltney they’re pretty damn good! I could totally see them being a semi-regular part of their diet, but of course I’ve never been to NK this is all just based on hot dog knowledge, so of course I could be wrong lol.
Jesus Christ.
So GDP isn’t a good measure to use for this. The price of goods is very different from country to country, and GDP often doesn’t translate to living conditions for the average person.
I tried to look up some information, since I don’t actually know which is the poorer country, and I had no idea how really bad it was in North Korea. Haiti is a nightmare also. People are starving in both countries, which of course means that things are real real bad. But…
Average annual income in Haiti is $1,760. That’s sure not great. Even with PPP, that’s bad.
It’s hard to tell anything about North Korea. But here’s what I found: Average legal annual income in North Korea is from 60,000 to 120,000 won. Guess how much an egg costs?
1,500 won.
A standard legal income in North Korea is from $12 to $36 per year.
80% of people supplement their income with some form of illegal free-market activity, obviously. And there are a certain amount of rations provided by the state in addition to straight wages. Otherwise, everyone would starve. The black market is tolerated to some extent, although it is technically illegal. It’s impossible to determine how much income is generated from it, so we have no idea.
Here’s more: https://www.nknews.org/2022/02/whats-in-it-for-the-working-man-why-north-koreans-show-up-for-low-wage-jobs/
Honestly, if I had to guess, I think the Haitians probably have it worse off economically. Congratulations NK! You’re not worst in the world.
As a general rule I just don’t trust what anyone says about North Korea, the whole thing is so propagandized from every angle you might as well be trying to figure out the average yearly income of the people on North Sentinel Island.
Can you show me some propaganda from the anti-North-Korea angle, and why it isn’t true?
I think there is pro-North Korea propaganda, and there is the truth which is horrifying and some people claim is propaganda. I’m not sure that much of the anti-North Korea stuff is propaganda. I’m open to being shown that I am wrong about that, though.
One, I didn’t say I believe “pro” North Korean propaganda. Just that there’s so many lies I don’t accept anything as true at face value.
Two, sure, as long as you show me how to prove a negative.
Which is actually possible, as it happens, but it’s a lot more work than I’m interested in doing for a topic I literally just said is beset by propaganda on both sides. If you want to believe every criticism you hear about an objectively fucked up neo-monarchy is true, go for it.
I am saying that I don’t believe that it is beset by propaganda on both sides. I believe it’s beset by propaganda and lies on one side, and the other side is mostly just the truth.
You’re not required to be interested in showing me why I’m wrong, of course. I was just curious.
Edit: Also… how in the world is “can you show me some propaganda from the anti-North-Korea angle” asking you to prove a negative? I’m the one claiming more or less a blanket negative, and politely asking for one counterexample if you feel like providing one.
Get out of here ya fuckin’ westoid /s
wtf is a WeStIoD dUfUs???
/s
I finally just blocked the entire instance. A lot of those folks aren’t exactly… right.
The hardcore tankies as just as bad as holocaust deniers.
How do you do that? I’ve reached my limit.
Same. I really wanted to be around other leftists but holy fuck the vast majority of them need serious help.
My first account was on .ml, and it took me about half an hour to get completely jumped by a bunch of Stalinists. Ended up deleting my account, and was hesitant to create a new one.
Thankfully, it seems to be two instances, and I’ve blocked them both. My experience after that has been great.
Tankies are just fashists who are exploiting the glitch that makes the ideology behind the largest mass murders in history more socially acceptable in the west.
Tbf, North Korea is almost certainly wealthier than Haiti. North Korean GDP figures from western sources are completely made up, their economy is a black box. In fact, many GDP estimates of developing economies are inaccurate at best, if not dead wrong. Turns out that people living at the subsistence level, as well as authoritarian dictators and warlords, aren’t particularly interested in reporting their earnings for taxation purposes.
Everything you said up until the last two words was correct. The inaccuracy isn’t primarily caused by North Korean citizens inaccurately reporting, it’s the government that doesn’t release any information, or cooperate with other nations in activities that could help estimate numbers.
That whole thread was a shitshow… That’s what you get when posting tabloids ig :/
The up and downvote ratios are disappointing, but it’s good to see them getting fact checked.
Not only did you waste your time reading this nonsense, but you also decided to share it and waste everyone else’s time.
Well, that’s the community for exactly that…no?
First day on lemmy, eh? See, you don’t have to visit a particular community to see posts from the said community. But if this community is dedicated to nonsense on social media, I guess I can simply block it to exclude it from the main feed. Thanks for the idea.
You’re welcome
yeah I see enough dumb shit on non tankie instances. I don’t need to see dumb tankie shit too, time to unsub from this one
