[…] Many users are complaining of hallucinated artists’ stats, songs they’ve never heard appearing in most listened lists, and more. Some users aren’t happy with the way that Spotify Wrapped looked this year, complaining that it was boring, and not as creative as previous years. […]
One of the most common complaints seems to be that Spotify Wrapped has misreported on the stats in claims to represent. Now, while this has happened in previous years, this year it seems to be a whole lot more prevalent — as you can see in this Spotify support thread. It’s filled with users complaining about top artists they’ve never listened to, songs appearing in at the top of their lists that they didn’t even know existed, or a mixture of the two.
Just anecdotally talking with people outside the internet-o-sphere and you’ll quickly find people with iffy Spotify Wrapped statistics. I have friends who listen exclusively to bizarre, underground punk acts, and their Wrappeds were topped by the likes of The Weeknd and Taylor Swift. Even on the Tom’s Guide team, we’ve seen strangeness — our own Millie Fender discovered Swift among her top artists, yet her songs didn’t appear in her top 100.
Just read people’s reactions online, especially in the trending topic on X or even the announcement thread on Reddit. Many are blaming Spotify’s pivot to AI this year for the lack of personality, and some even hold it responsible for their weird Spotify statistics. I have reached out to Spotify for comment, but I am yet to hear a response.
What can we do?
First off, there are other streaming platforms with year-end roundups. Deezer, for example, has unleashed My Deezer Year, and like everything the French streamer does, it’s filled with creativity and personality. That’s a streaming service with better sound quality too. Apple Music has its Replay feature, which similarly takes you through your year. There are options.
If you’re duty-bound to Spotify, then there is a way to really check your most-listened-to artists, songs, and genres — Track your listening with Last.FM, for example, which gives you breakdowns over the course of the year. Whatever happens, I (and many others) are hoping that Spotify Wrapped is a whole lot better next year.
Why this even calls for generative AI is beyond me. Just post my top 5 artists and top 5 songs. It’s data already available.
Mine said my top artist is Hozier, driving my Goblincore Fantasy Forest phase. I couldn’t name a Hozier song since Take Me To Church, a song that falls into Nickelback territory for me, as in sellouts that get way too much playtime. And no idea how that turned into goblins and fantasy forests.
Only the podcast style overview is ai generated. Since the two voice are not from real human
Goblincore Fantasy Forest, definitely a real human genre.
Not seeing that Hozier criticism tbh but agree spotify sucks
If you’re a corpo, not integrating generative AI somewhere is seen as a misstep. Shareholders want to know that their money is being used on the cutting edge.
Of course, both groups are clueless as to where generative AI may actually be useful. But ultimately it doesn’t matter.
Also had goblincore in my genre. Whatever that is…
IIRC, goblincore is an aesthetic related to the more ugly side of nature - think mushrooms, toads, and snakes. But it’s like a fashion/lifestyle subculture thing like “dark academia,” not a music genre.
Listen here, dummy, “AI”. Do you understand?
/s
I heard that Spotify fired the guy who invented the original Spotify algorithm for everything from wrapped to the discover playlists. I’ll look to see if I can find link and update.
Edit: not sure if is what I read originally https://blog.tunemymusic.com/spotify-wrapped-2024-bad-users-complain/
But I remember the quote
“Everyone noticing that Spotify wrapped is weak this year should remember that Spotify fired the main dude who created the algorithm for them about a year ago (for no reason) and he was also the mastermind between all the genre related data that essentially keeps the place running.
“Enshitification at its finest folks.
Hopefully tidal hires him.
He apparently made both of these sites I found every noise interesting
Well both of those are damn cool, thank you for the links!
No problem glad you enjoyed :)
Please don’t give them ideas. They have to fix core issue first - catalogue quality where albums from same named bands are often attributed to wrong ones.
They fired the whole wrapped team and replaced them with some AI nonsense.
I hope Spotify gets all they deserve from that decision.
What’s so hard about tracking which song has been played how often or even for how long? I can’t imagine how you can fuck this up so badly
Dropped Spotify after the CEO said artists music weren’t worth anything and raised their annual fee at the same time. Trash company
mine was on point
Hurtin’ hearts need some healin’, Take my hand with your glove of love.
i listened to the new eminem album once and it said he was my #2 artist. i had a day where i listened to nothing but aphex twin and he wasn’t on the list. busted for sure.
hallucinated
It is just fucking wrong. AI isn’t a living thing that is comparable to a person or animal, or even a plant. It is wrong a lot and that is because it has no motivation or reality or anything like that. It is pattern matching that is not reliable for factual results, and sometimes the results are just wrong.
Good callout. We shouldn’t attribute intent, experience, or any other human characteristics, to software.
Is there a good way to sync listening history between platforms? That seems to be a big reason why people have a hard time jumping around between platforms
Lastfm or listenbrainz
It doesn’t sync between services, but last.fm can be your tracking source and connects to both Spotify (when I had it… assuming still true) and Tidal (ways to track Bandcamp and other streaming too).
I have to wait for the full calendar year to pass in last.fm, but I get more interesting stats than what I remember from wrapped.
Last.fm is really great for tracking, it’s been around for forever too, no idea why it isn’t more popular.
Unfortunately they walled garden themselves pretty universally. I’ve been on Tidal since Spotify fired all those people and have been really enjoying it.
Maybe I’m crazy but I feel like their recommended music is also way better.
Switched to Napster this year. Best artist payout.
To be clear, no streaming company is paying royalties on a per-stream basis, it’s basically always ((total revenue-platform cut)/share of total amount of streams).
So the artists are not really getting more money because you’re streaming on one platform or the other, they are all getting roughly the same amount out of what you’re paying on a monthly basis.
If artist payout is your primary concern, take a look at qobuz. They pay even more than napster and tidal.
Can’t report the same problem. Mine looked very sane for my listening habits.
Same. Last.fm also agreed with what Spotify told me.
Same with listenbrainz though it couldnt capture earlier parts of the year for me.
I was disappointed in the graphics, but my stats seemed right. The slide for my top podcasts had black text on a black background, but luckily all my top 5 podcasts have their name on their logo. Still looks kinda stupid though.
I only stick with spotify because it has the best support on linux
Can any linux users can share their experience with other platforms?
Tidal has no official Linux app, which is shocking considering their demographic. But a hero has made an app that gets pretty close. Under the hood it’s the web client with some add-ons to support full quality streaming. The user experience is generally fairly close to an official app.
I used soundiiz to convert all my content over, and of probably over 10,000 songs there were less than 100 unavailable, so library isn’t a concern. The increased quality is nice, but the big reason I choose tidal is that instead of doing unnecessary stuff like podcasts they pay artists better. As much as 3X according to some things I’ve read. I have not verified those numbers.
Qobuz can be installed with bottles and works pretty well.
I think Deezer has an electron app or something it uses, but it’s worked great for me so far. It costs the same aa Spotify the last I checked, and has a comprable selection.
Do you use the official Spotify client or a third party one like ncspot? Not that the latter will remain for long now considering API changes on Spotify’s end.
YouTube music works great, just gotta use an unofficial app
You mean the corporation you gave boatloads of personal data to is manipulating it to use against you in the pursuit of profit?! [surprised pikachu.jpg]
Your top song was $songThatIReallyListenedToAFewTimes. You had a streak of two days listening to it and your play count was 4.
Ok, the genre is right. The band is a band I know and sometimes listen to, but I dislike their newer songs (which the above is an example of). The start might be right, but it’s definitely not my top listened song 2024
My Wrapped was way different this year from last year. I listen to music all day every day. I have a 24-hour playlist for every day of the week, Spotify says I listened to 326,614 minutes this year. These playlists are all different. Monday is 70s R&B Motown, Tuesday is Rock/Punk/Grunge, Wednesday is Rocksteady/Two Tone/3rd wave Ska, Thursday is Classical, Friday is Hip Hop, Saturday is Country, and Sunday is Jazz.
Last year my Wrapped had a wide range of artists and genres that represented the wide range of music I listen to. This year it was just Reggae and Ska. I had only two top artists that were not, the Rolling Stones and Glenn Miller. The Rolling Stones I can see but Glenn Miller is not even that prevalent in my Jazz playlist.
I don’t know if it’s all fucked up but I do know it’s miles different than what it gave me for the same playlists and similar listening time last year.
Edit: I fucked up Monday.
Switched to Qobuz earlier this year. It has a few issues, but at least it doesn’t have all this absolutely dumb shit that Spotify has. What an improvement.
And they let you buy the music outright, too!
Recently quit youtube premium due to the price hike finally hitting my country. I’ve been using yt music for my listening.
Since that went away along with yt premium, I dusted off my old music file collection (mix of itunes and bandcamp purchases, cd rips, and soundcloud downloads).
Discovered Qobus looking for places to buy my favorite music to update my collection.
I used to keep my entire collection on my phone, but I opted to start using ytm since I had it and my collection got too big…
But now, I have to say I am blown away with how nice Symfonium+Jellyfin (or another music server) is to use!
Last time I looked into it, nothing handled dynamically keeping a portion of your music on-device for offline play this well!
Features can’t be beat for sure. They skip all the extra BS and just have a quality streaming service. Whodathunk that’s all people want? 🤣
They seem to be what Tidal pretends to be.
Apparently Tidal finally ditched MQA and went back to flac. How they ever went in for it with how shit it it turned out to be with some basic investigation, I have no idea.
It just frustrates me how nobody is even close to Spotify Connect nor do they seem to be trying to compete with it. Tidal only half does what I need but I have had a number of major issues with it that are making me go back to Spotify.
That’s your problem? What does it provide that nothing else does?
Primarily, remote control from one PC to another. I’ve got a desktop connected to my speakers but when working from home I want to use my work laptop to control the speakers. Tidal has a version of it that can control media streamer devices, but it is unreliable.
I like Qobuz and am winding down my Spotify usage. Although it doesn’t have as many automatic playlists as Spotify, Qobuz does better at recommending music that’s unfamiliar and interesting, whereas Spotify seems to have been circling me around the same drain of 10 songs for months. Qobuz sounds noticably better than Spotify too, on my good headphones. And it has so much information about each album, including CD booklets for many of them. In particular for classical music Qobuz gives you the composer, the players, the conductor, the piece and the movement, whereas Spotify doesn’t know what to do.
The format sent to clients is better. I would disagree with the recommendations point, but that’s subjective.
