I mean, this question is not just about normal criminals.

Think like very bad crimes. Like serial killers, rapists, child rapists, terrorists, corrupt officials, terrible leaders, cruel dictators, generals that ignore laws of war, or like people has bad as Hitler. Which of these people do you think deserve a respectful burial, if any.

Is there a level of evilness that you think should not be allowed to have a proper buriel or have their corpses mutilated. Or should everyone deserve a respectful burial regardless of crimes.

I personally don’t even know how to answer this question myself. Like the funeral isn’t even for the dead. Its for the living. So to me, the question seems like, should the relatives of a bad person be allowed to see the corpse treated respectfully. I personally don’t have an answer to this question.

  • fakir@lemm.ee
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    5 hours ago

    Excellent point!

    Polish your mirror and look deep, you are the universe as am I, as was Gandhi and as is Putin, capable of all good and all evil, all shaped by life like a rock shaped by a river. The rock has no choice but to take that shape. The rock is special but no more so than any other rock, so don’t assume you’d do any different if you were in their situation.

    • Flocklesscrow@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      4 hours ago

      lol, your counterpoint is hold to hold up Gandhi as the paragon of “Good?”

      People are the aggregate of their choices. Behavior dictates the outward expression of inner motives. Sure, there are vast gulfs of grey within the theoretical discussion of black and white, but ultimately each person’s legacy is simply a accumulation of the paths they have chosen, given the available options. To assume that everyone would make the same choices, when presented with the same opportunities, is simply not congruent to the patterns of human behavior that we see in reality, regardless of era or culture.

      • fakir@lemm.ee
        1·
        4 hours ago

        Behavior dictates the outward expression of inner motives.

        Correct, but you can’t control your motives as much as you like. Think as much as you want about this.

        To assume that everyone would make the same choices, when presented with the same opportunities, is simply not congruent to the patterns of human behavior that we see in reality, regardless of era or culture.

        Show me what patterns you’ve seen, but from my personal experience and reflection, this is incorrect. We can’t control the opportunities, and we can’t control our motives, hence we can’t control our behavior. You will do what you were gonna do.

        • Flocklesscrow@lemm.eeEnglish
          21·
          4 hours ago

          Your core argument is essentially just a rationalization of your own behavior.

          So my original analysis holds true: a remarkably bad hot take.

          • fakir@lemm.ee
            11·
            4 hours ago

            You couldn’t have changed your behavior if you tried