I really hate whenever I try to explain how some bad rules can be abused and immediatelly get someone say shit like “If this happens in your group, change it” as if that would solve the problem. And whenever it is not soemthing you witnessed personally, then it means it never happens and could never happen.

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    DnD isn’t just a set of rules, though. It is inherently a social activity, and that means there has to be a certain level of expectation for social norms. If your group has toxic people in it, they will be toxic while playing tic-tac-toe.

    The solution is to employ social pressure or ostracism for those people. We can certainly modify rules that have proven abusive in the past, but enforcing rules of conduct must always be the first line of defense.

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      If D&D isn’t a set of rules, why do they charge so much for their rulebook?

      It’s also worth noting that nobody has said an actual exploit. Nobody has DONE anything toxic. Someone just noticed a POTENTIAL exploit and suggested fixing it before any problems occur. Yet ostracizing people is a more acceptable position than a rules patch?

      If the rules aren’t something to be changed, why do they charge so much for the rules revision they just put out?

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        Yet ostracizing people is a more acceptable position than a rules patch?

        Yes. If you can’t get someone to knock off bad behavior, the rules do not matter.

        If the rules aren’t something to be changed, why do they charge so much for the rules revision they just put out?

        There are good reasons to change rules. People breaking social norms is not one of them.

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          Once again, nobody has done anything. There is no bad behaviour anyone needs to stop. You don’t even know what the exploit is, or how the group feel about using it. You are inventing a hypothetical person to punish for a hypothetical misdeed while the actually flawed rules (by WotC’s admission, as proven by the erattas and rules revision) are right in front of you.

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            What we infer from it all is that someone is using a rule in a way that’s detrimental to the group. We may want to change the rule, or it may be time to have a talk, or it may be time to kick them out.

            As far as assumptions go, that cuts both ways All I’m saying is that we don’t take any of the options above off the table.