We were wondering if the docs etc here could be rewritten in such a way so as to not call all of us human since some of us are not.
Much like being transgender, being otherkin, alter{human/being} or transspecies can have a lot of dysphoria attached to it and we have had to at least explicitly tell one person on lemmy that we are not human even though it is in our profile.
We think that being more inclusive is always a good thing and will gladly work with those who can edit the docs etc in order to find more inclusive ways to say what needs to be said without misspeciesing any{one/many}.
Thanks for reading this and we hope this finds y’all well.
Do you have any specific examples of text that should be changed in the docs?
being emotional is a normal part of being a human
Humans are pretty good at figuring out when someone is being a jerk online
One solution to this problem is to recenter humans in our online social platforms.
explain to someone why you’re a human and why you shouldn’t be subject to incessant bigotry online.
However, get enough humans together
you’re probably at least aware of this from simply living with other humans.
and other such disconnects are commonly discussed when cohabitating with another human.
I treat other Beeple with good faith, even when I think they are not responding to me in kind, unless they are unequivocally advocating for hate or intolerance of fellow humans.
In the context of human emotion, however, we see plenty of reasons to not have downvotes.
if people want to disagree they will need to think about how they want to approach another human being and frame this disagreement.
Mental health is often an emotionally charged subject and even though we’re all human and want to hold space to allow this kind of healing
certain kinds of communities focused on taking pictures of humans
Bots that always post without human intervention are noisy and are often unwanted.
Some are also simply fairly regular humans
rife for abuse in a plethora of ways that humans
We understand that we’re all human and aren’t going to be perfect at all times
There’s been a lot of content which I so rarely see on other places on the internet that feels so much more welcoming and human than many other spaces on the internet.
You’re all wonderful human beings.
To me, it seems like replacing almost all instances of this with “people” would be a harmless change. Is that something that would work? (Some, like “human emotion”, could just become “emotion”)
We were thinking people or sentients/sapients, yeah.
As @alyaza@beehaw.org already mentioned, completely open to making changes here, but I’m curious to gather some more of your thoughts. People includes human in the definition, are there not some who would disagree with its use because of this? Sapient is a word derived from the Latin word for wisdom. Wisdom is most certainly a human concept, and I doubt many would consider non-human life “wise” and certainly some might withhold that designation from otherkin because of their beliefs. While sapient has been used in science fiction as a way to somewhat dehumanize the concept of intelligence, I’d argue that humans might not be all that great at determining what intelligence is. Over the last 100 years our concept of what life on Earth are intelligent has changed drastically. Sentient is perhaps the least problematic of these suggestions, however even it refers to the ability to experience feelings or sensations, which are both also ultimately human concepts - whether someone would consider the ability to detect magnetic fields as a feeling or sensation is much more debatable than the senses that humans have (sight, hearing, etc.).
I know some who identify as otherkin and plenty of folks who might be closer to that constellation of identities than I am, but I’ve never had a discussion around this particular topic - how to best refer to you and others like you when creating documents meant to apply to them. I think we want to do our best to accommodate your needs as well as the needs of those similar to you, but given the issues I’ve raised above I could see how accommodating you might not accommodate others and we could easily get trapped in an endless revision cycle. I don’t know that you have an answer for me, but if you get a chance could you share your thoughts on the above? Is there a path forward in which we can still create a document which is clear enough that anyone who possesses the ability to read and understand English will understand our intentions? Or is there a cutoff point at which “enough” comprehension is acceptable because an attempt to widen the language will make comprehension more difficult?
at least for this specific wording change: we can get around to this eventually, but it’s on the backburner for now
We realise that asking to change quotes or organisation names is too much so we’re sticking to what’s directly in the documents that aren’t quotes or organisation names, as best as we can tell.
I know little about the subject, so forgive me if I express myself in the wrong way. I support being inclusive to otherkin, but it seems to me that the changes would require more nuance. My question would be if we can attribute human characteristics so broadly to non human beings. Different demographics experience different realities, changing the language might help, but it might just be something aesthetic that doesn’t translate the specifics.
Is this case just a matter of the broadest category being inadequate? Similar to masculine forms being also neutral and general?
You’re actually correct if we understand what you are saying. We guess we’re just the first to ask and not many others have put forward their voices either because there are no other non/not entirely human(s) on this instance or they are too shy to say anything.
Personally we identify as transspecies, not otherkin. However, we are supportive of those that use other labels and have different experiences around this. We realise that we are probably compromising a lot in what we are asking for.
If it was up to us we would just rewrite it ourselves to be as inclusive as possible, but we’re not sure that would be accepted and it might take quite a bit longer.
Well, we aren’t human, we don’t feel human, it causes us distress and dysphoria to be called and thought of as human, and we guess others have similar experiences to us.
We would completely transition this body if we could but instead we have to rely on technology, add-ons and aesthetics. Hopefully it’ll eventually reach a point where we can but for now we do what we are able, just like being transgender too and the medical science not being there all the way either to give us what we need/want to be completely happy so we do the best we can with what is avaliable.
Well, masculine in the language we primarily use is thankfully being decentred as the neutral and general, though in some cases yeah and it still is which bothers us greatly and we seek to find or make truly neutral language instead wherever we can.
We aren’t sure if this answers your question however, hopefully it does.
As an otherkin; I can personally attest that I don’t personally mind being called human; but that’s because one of my OtherSelf entities is an angel; which is humanoid enough to confuse some.
So we don’t consider it malicious usually unless it’s done in a specific situation/context.
Fwy am also plural too; but we speak in unity as a System via Melody; our resident Flygon/Angel.
I don’t mind speaking as if we are human though personally though; and do understand that some Others do not feel the same; as my partner in this realm most certainly dislikes some human terms. Fwy still gets occasionally corrected when fwy absentmindedly drops human words in conversations. It’s something we’re familiar with; and I’m genuinely glad the admin team is willing to hear things out and make things a little more inclusive where it makes sense when they can.
