No, I’m fine with that definition, that’s a sane use of the term. Part of me thinks we’d be better off reserving “nazi” for those who openly align themselves with the historical group and just use the descriptor “ultranationalist” for modern instances of ultranationalism. Might reduce equivocation.
I think the problem there is that a shit load of people are so uneducated that they don’t associate nationalism with the nazis, they only associate the holocaust as the bad thing they did and really don’t understand that ultranationalist ideology will lead to a repeat of what occurred over and over again. Thus it becomes much easier to just say nazi when referring to these ultranationalists even though it’s technically incorrect when the ultranationalism they support is actually polish, or american, or fucking italian, idk etc etc etc. They’re all have pretty much the same goals just in a different set of completely made up lines on a map.
Antifa are not ultranationalists. The vast majority are anarchists and communists, which are internationalist ideologies. Literally the polar opposite.
You could call them an authoritarian paramilitary group, but they’re not nazis. That doesn’t automatically make them good, it’s just that nazism is a specific political ideology.
I’ve yet to meet an anarchist following anything like a coherent ideology in that respect. They all seem very eager to impose themselves on others. I suppose one guy took a more academic position, but still seemed to idolise violence. Maybe the authority is decentralised, but frequently wielded as explicit force. Not far from libertarianism in that regard. Doesn’t appeal.
Cluster munitions, for all I care. What’s that got to do with anything? I was explaining my use of the word authoritarian. I’d make them illegal, if I were in a position to do so. But my place in society is installing irrigation and water management systems, I have to focus on that.
Any form of ultranationalist is a nazi. Any questions?
No, but you sound like Jeff Tiedrich 😂
I’m not american, no idea who he is. Google says some musician?
I just know him as the guy who says “any fucking questions” on Twitter, I’m not American either.
Ahh gotcha. I meant it though it wasn’t rhetorical, I will answer questions.
No, I’m fine with that definition, that’s a sane use of the term. Part of me thinks we’d be better off reserving “nazi” for those who openly align themselves with the historical group and just use the descriptor “ultranationalist” for modern instances of ultranationalism. Might reduce equivocation.
I think the problem there is that a shit load of people are so uneducated that they don’t associate nationalism with the nazis, they only associate the holocaust as the bad thing they did and really don’t understand that ultranationalist ideology will lead to a repeat of what occurred over and over again. Thus it becomes much easier to just say nazi when referring to these ultranationalists even though it’s technically incorrect when the ultranationalism they support is actually polish, or american, or fucking italian, idk etc etc etc. They’re all have pretty much the same goals just in a different set of completely made up lines on a map.
So you admit that Antifa are as Nazis like Maga are? Or are rightoids worse for some arbitrary reason again?
Antifa are not ultranationalists. The vast majority are anarchists and communists, which are internationalist ideologies. Literally the polar opposite.
You could call them an authoritarian paramilitary group, but they’re not nazis. That doesn’t automatically make them good, it’s just that nazism is a specific political ideology.
Half of them are anarchists, calling them authoritarian is a grandpa’s facebook-tier understanding of the situation
I’ve yet to meet an anarchist following anything like a coherent ideology in that respect. They all seem very eager to impose themselves on others. I suppose one guy took a more academic position, but still seemed to idolise violence. Maybe the authority is decentralised, but frequently wielded as explicit force. Not far from libertarianism in that regard. Doesn’t appeal.
What is your solution to prevent nazi rallies?
Cluster munitions, for all I care. What’s that got to do with anything? I was explaining my use of the word authoritarian. I’d make them illegal, if I were in a position to do so. But my place in society is installing irrigation and water management systems, I have to focus on that.
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Stopping nazi rallies is the main thing antifa does. You seem to oppose them doing it.
But you’re not. None of us are. So that leaves what other options?
No, I didn’t say that. Perhaps you’re thinking of somebody further up the comment chain.
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