Originally written by @EnglishMobster@lemmy.world
See their post announcing Lemmy: https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/cqgztr/fuck_the_white_supremacist_reddit_admins_want_me/
Hey all, longtime Marxist-leninist, recorder of left audiobooks, and megathread shitposter here.
Posting this in light of a recent one week Reddit ban I earned for shitting on US police, as I’m sure many of us have gotten in recent weeks.
So I’ve spent the past few months working on a self hostable, federated, Reddit alternative called Lemmy, and it’s pretty much ready to go. Unlike here we’d have ultimate control over all content, and would never have to self censor.
Obviously as communists, we agitate where the people are, so we should never abandon Reddit entirely, but it’s been clear to all of us from day one, that communities like this stand on unsteady ground, and could be banned or quarantined at any moment by the white supremacist Reddit admins. This would be both a backup and a potentially better alternative. Moderation abilities are there, as well as a slur filter.
Raddle isn’t an option obviously since it’s run by this arch anti tankie scum, ziq.
I wanted to ask ppl here if they’d like me to host an instance, and mod all the current mods here.
The instance that post mentions at the end became Lemmygrad. Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad are the same people, and the creators of Lemmy hosted Lemmygrad (and are thus admins there).
This was their first post announcing Lemmy as a real thing you could go use. (It’s also why a good chunk of the Threadiverse is absolutely infested with tankies.)
So… basically, all this time I’ve been using what started out as an alt-left version of Truth Social?
While this does explain a LOT, I’m still gonna keep using Lemmy since a lot of good has definitely come out of it too (think the antique memes, c/nostupidquestions and the one-user art c/‘s), and unlike Reddit it’s open-source, so even the corrupt programmers lack complete control over it; every instance is merely a reflection of the person who made it. And at least .world has somewhat saner people, which is probably why its native user accounts outnumber ml ones nearly 4:1. What are they gonna do, double-block this community from ml?
Pretty much yeah.
Though mind you, about a year or so ago, the developers refused to act on the extremist content, not allowing any programmer to edit the slur or filter list. They eventually caved, though.
Imagine going so far down the rabbit hole that you unironically believe that the Reddit admins are white supremacists.
They’re absolutely corporate shills though and they’ll do whatever they feel like in the name of keeping the money flowing.
I’m aware that the developers of Lemmy have questionable political views. In the end they’re doing everyone a valuable service and they’re infinitely more socially acceptable then being on the other end of the spectrum. If that were the case, Lemmy would be completely taboo.
I am not intending to shill for people who unironically glorify Mao.
Lemmy has been created by “a moderate lefist”.
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They deny the Holodomor and Uyghur genocide. As well as paint Stalin as a benevolent leader.
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Ukraine and the other nations affected consider it a genocide.
I don’t think the developers are evil. However, I do think denying recognition of genocides and atrocities by authoritarian states is evil.
Taken from Wikipedia:
In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.” These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group.
So, while there may be debate on whether the Holdomor technically meets the definition of a genocide, it still constitutes mass murder.
That is not necessarily true because it is not easy to establish intent. As far as I know there is not a clear idea on even the numbers, only estimates that have been quite far apart. I do not think there is adequate grounds to conclude that it was done with intent, nor to rule it out, hence why it is under debate.
Yeah, but man made famines still aren’t okay, even if you don’t intent to destroy a people.
Would you consider the frequent man-made famines in ireland in the 19th century, including the very famous great famine, an example of ‘genocide’ or mass murder?
Yes? Especially for the genocide part.
Yes, that is a genocide.
Of course not and I think the most valuable we can learn from history is how to prevent something of the kind from happening again.
That’s why we should steer away from authoritarianism, which is what these communities want.
What about Canadian genocide of the indigenous? Surely you count that?
Canada recognizes its multiple genocides against the First Nations. We have days dedicated to indigenous Canadians and activly trying to put indigenous voices first.
The same can’t be said about China, Russia or the US.
Would someone who denied, say, the Holocaust not be a bad person because of their ‘alleged stances’?
You want to go home, and rethink your life.
At some point you gotta live with em, you can try to tell a tankie or a Trumper the truth and they’ll nod along politly but still get drunk and spout nonsense. as long as they ain’t starting a militia or beating they wife might as well let the old dog bark
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Ah, of course, I keep forgetting Ukrainians aren’t people to tankies.
Uhm, I do not think you have a good understanding of what I am saying if you think I do not care deeply for the Ukrainian people both then and now. I understand that it is upsetting to debate something as horrible as what happened, but that is also why it is important to try to get the narrative right.
What do you think the narrative is?
It is not nazi apologia.
So they dislike Western Capitalism, but are okay with China style State-Capitalism 🤔
Lmfao tankies aren’t even leftists, just red-fascist. True leftists are anti-state.
