This is good advice on it’s face, but what if you’re living in a country full of Nazis?
Like, let’s say - hypothetically - the cops are Nazis. And all your mass media is full of Nazi agitprop. And friends and family are periodically repeating Nazis talking points. And you are feeling increasingly isolated by the sheer madness of the outside world.
If you’re seeing Nazis everywhere, then definitely move.
But be careful. In my country, anti-authoritarism dog whistling has made Nazis out of anyone who gives out a parking ticket or tells ya not to drink on that section of the park with your glass bottles. Every fire marshall is a fascist, every doctor a Mengele, every cop a thug.
But this isn’t TV. They’re not. Maybe everyone you see isn’t a Nazi but a misguided voter who’s fallen for some populist grift. Stay and help limit the spread of that taint; even if it’s just by laughing at the racists and alpha chads.
And if you’re going to have an overstuffed gathering for the indoor fireworks show at your apartment, make sure you’re not sick and also don’t park there.
You know what’s crazy? People who are Nazis would say exactly this about the “Woke” Society. They see no difference in accepting Trans people and killing minorities. Just take a sharp look at the conservative narrative.
“Green Fascist’s with woke ideology” to what about their way of live.
People who are Nazis would say exactly this about the “Woke” Society.
It reminds me of the left/right split during the Iranian Revolution. Folks love to post pictures of “Before 1979” with the wealthy kids of the industrial elites dressed like EU/US fashionistas. Iranian progressives saw this as a privilege of the elites that shouldn’t be exclusive to the upper end of society. Iranian conservatives saw it as a symptom of elitism that shouldn’t be permitted at any tier of society.
After the revolution, conservative Iranians (very briefly) aligned with conservative Americans, as the Ayatollah and the Reagan/Thatcher governments aligned on this idea of regressive religious anti-Communism. But then Iran didn’t open itself back up as a western gas station, so the American white supremacists and the Iranian Islamic supremacists fell back into conflict again.
Then it was just two ultra-orthodox conservative groups screaming “Woke Decadent Radicals!” at one another, while everyone around them were ground to paste by the slew of wars to follow.
Awesome explanation. The similarities are striking. I don’t understand why people have the tendency to interfere with others lives. Conservatives have a fetish for this.
Finding an employer to sponsor you in most countries is exceedingly difficult for most Americans. We can’t just move, unfortunately. There are strict immigration laws in most countries.
There were entire subreddits dedicated to this topic in the before-days. We need a Lemmy community for this complex topic.
Unless they’ve changed policy in the last six months, Portugal will take nearly anyone with stable remote work and fast track them to EU citizenship. This was/is the most viable choice for US citizens.
You are thinking of their nomad visa (D8) which takes 5 years and requires a monthly income of at least $3200 Eur/mo. The problem has always been getting a U.S. employer to allow you to work remote AND out of country.
HR and payroll departments absolutely hate letting remote workers live outside the country because it makes tax liabilities and benefits complicated for them. So, it’s quite rare to find a U.S. company that will do it. Even most multi-national megacorps are assholes about it.
But, if you are a successful freelancer with a very reliable income from non-Portuguese sources, then this may be an option. Most of us don’t fit that bill, unfortunately. Hell, most Americans struggle just to get a hybrid work situation. The idea of international remote or stable freelancing is quite a tall order.
When I pursued it there was a provision for the administrative tax burden of the employer. My employer withheld as usual for a US worker, then I would also need to file and post-pay Portugal’s taxes.
Double taxation; an employer comfortable with it; new culture; national economic issues: I agree it’s a tall order for the vast majority of Americans. And, it also seemed the most viable option. I think we agree that emmigration is quite difficult.
Double taxation; an employer comfortable with it; new culture; national economic issues: I agree it’s a tall order for the vast majority of Americans. And, it also seemed the most viable option.
Every H1B worker has this. This is normal; and was for me personally for years.
Having obtained a green card and come home, some of my family still owe American taxes every year for that 1% more they pay, without them or us getting anything for that higher tax, and despite not setting foot on American soil since before Trump. Maybe never again, given the human rights issues, but that’s another thing. We pay a pro who knows both countries, and that’s a few bucks each year on top.
You’re worried about treading a Very familiar path.
Thats ok, us Maori spend our whole time hating normal kiwis, who then hate nazis. They just need to slot in and direct theirs in the right direction (/s).
I mean, what are they really going to do - deport us back home? Actually don’t answer that, they may try it.
I realised after posting that my post could easily be read contrary to what I meant too; it could easily read like I’m minimising the problems Māori face (TL;DR: colonisation).
I was trying to imply that an immigrant could be spared attention from our Nazis because the Nazis are already busy being Nazis to Māori.
It’s not like our government has spent the last 150 years being Nazis… Ah shit.
All good - I actually wish some of us would stop using the last 150 years as an excuse. Did we have to deal with alot of shit - absolutely, and a not 0 ammout is still ongoing. But FFS, the opportunities are there if you stop using it as an excuse to not do better.
My ancestors spent generations screwing over Māori, maybe not personally (I don’t know) but I’m not prepared to give them a pass on it.
I’m quite happy to let some laziness slide or some rules being taken advantage of or me personally having some tax dollars pent when it’s making up for generations of actual evil.
I’ve been studying our history and it’s pretty fucked… It’s not what we got taught in school.
Oh, im aware. Lots of stuff we thought was limited to American colonization, education that has since been whitewashed to make it sound not as bad as it was, and general comments that miss most of the story. Even at the high school level.
You are not responsible for the actions of your ancestors, regardless of how direct or indirect it was. The flip side is that I did not suffer that treatment, and therefore can no blame my life and actions on it. Very different viewpoint to a number of my iwi, who are still stuck in the take take take and I’m owed mindset. Screwing over the next generation with their excuses.
This is good advice on it’s face, but what if you’re living in a country full of Nazis?
Like, let’s say - hypothetically - the cops are Nazis. And all your mass media is full of Nazi agitprop. And friends and family are periodically repeating Nazis talking points. And you are feeling increasingly isolated by the sheer madness of the outside world.
Hypothetically, of course.
If you’re seeing Nazis everywhere, then definitely move.
But be careful. In my country, anti-authoritarism dog whistling has made Nazis out of anyone who gives out a parking ticket or tells ya not to drink on that section of the park with your glass bottles. Every fire marshall is a fascist, every doctor a Mengele, every cop a thug.
But this isn’t TV. They’re not. Maybe everyone you see isn’t a Nazi but a misguided voter who’s fallen for some populist grift. Stay and help limit the spread of that taint; even if it’s just by laughing at the racists and alpha chads.
And if you’re going to have an overstuffed gathering for the indoor fireworks show at your apartment, make sure you’re not sick and also don’t park there.
You know what’s crazy? People who are Nazis would say exactly this about the “Woke” Society. They see no difference in accepting Trans people and killing minorities. Just take a sharp look at the conservative narrative.
“Green Fascist’s with woke ideology” to what about their way of live.
It reminds me of the left/right split during the Iranian Revolution. Folks love to post pictures of “Before 1979” with the wealthy kids of the industrial elites dressed like EU/US fashionistas. Iranian progressives saw this as a privilege of the elites that shouldn’t be exclusive to the upper end of society. Iranian conservatives saw it as a symptom of elitism that shouldn’t be permitted at any tier of society.
After the revolution, conservative Iranians (very briefly) aligned with conservative Americans, as the Ayatollah and the Reagan/Thatcher governments aligned on this idea of regressive religious anti-Communism. But then Iran didn’t open itself back up as a western gas station, so the American white supremacists and the Iranian Islamic supremacists fell back into conflict again.
Then it was just two ultra-orthodox conservative groups screaming “Woke Decadent Radicals!” at one another, while everyone around them were ground to paste by the slew of wars to follow.
Awesome explanation. The similarities are striking. I don’t understand why people have the tendency to interfere with others lives. Conservatives have a fetish for this.
Codifying cultural norms into law is a normal part of politics. The big question is what you want to normalize.
Tbh, if that’s the case then, I will just join in a Marxist group that is serious about arm resistance. I’m too poor to move out anyway.
Have you considered moving?
Sadly, I’m an English speaker so I’m very limited in my options.
You mean the most widespread language on earth?
But you always have the option to learn another language. It just takes some effort. It is easier to do than it ever has been before in history.
Finding an employer to sponsor you in most countries is exceedingly difficult for most Americans. We can’t just move, unfortunately. There are strict immigration laws in most countries.
There were entire subreddits dedicated to this topic in the before-days. We need a Lemmy community for this complex topic.
Unless they’ve changed policy in the last six months, Portugal will take nearly anyone with stable remote work and fast track them to EU citizenship. This was/is the most viable choice for US citizens.
You are thinking of their nomad visa (D8) which takes 5 years and requires a monthly income of at least $3200 Eur/mo. The problem has always been getting a U.S. employer to allow you to work remote AND out of country.
HR and payroll departments absolutely hate letting remote workers live outside the country because it makes tax liabilities and benefits complicated for them. So, it’s quite rare to find a U.S. company that will do it. Even most multi-national megacorps are assholes about it.
But, if you are a successful freelancer with a very reliable income from non-Portuguese sources, then this may be an option. Most of us don’t fit that bill, unfortunately. Hell, most Americans struggle just to get a hybrid work situation. The idea of international remote or stable freelancing is quite a tall order.
When I pursued it there was a provision for the administrative tax burden of the employer. My employer withheld as usual for a US worker, then I would also need to file and post-pay Portugal’s taxes.
Double taxation; an employer comfortable with it; new culture; national economic issues: I agree it’s a tall order for the vast majority of Americans. And, it also seemed the most viable option. I think we agree that emmigration is quite difficult.
Every H1B worker has this. This is normal; and was for me personally for years.
Having obtained a green card and come home, some of my family still owe American taxes every year for that 1% more they pay, without them or us getting anything for that higher tax, and despite not setting foot on American soil since before Trump. Maybe never again, given the human rights issues, but that’s another thing. We pay a pro who knows both countries, and that’s a few bucks each year on top.
You’re worried about treading a Very familiar path.
Find yourself a nice blue city and move into the suburbs. Lots of good jobs too.
Come to New Zealand.
We still have Nazis but they spend all their energy on hating the Māori population.
Didn’t the country’s government get a little dark for a term? How’s that working?
It fucking sucks.
Thats ok, us Maori spend our whole time hating normal kiwis, who then hate nazis. They just need to slot in and direct theirs in the right direction (/s).
I mean, what are they really going to do - deport us back home? Actually don’t answer that, they may try it.
I realised after posting that my post could easily be read contrary to what I meant too; it could easily read like I’m minimising the problems Māori face (TL;DR: colonisation).
I was trying to imply that an immigrant could be spared attention from our Nazis because the Nazis are already busy being Nazis to Māori.
It’s not like our government has spent the last 150 years being Nazis… Ah shit.
All good - I actually wish some of us would stop using the last 150 years as an excuse. Did we have to deal with alot of shit - absolutely, and a not 0 ammout is still ongoing. But FFS, the opportunities are there if you stop using it as an excuse to not do better.
My ancestors spent generations screwing over Māori, maybe not personally (I don’t know) but I’m not prepared to give them a pass on it.
I’m quite happy to let some laziness slide or some rules being taken advantage of or me personally having some tax dollars pent when it’s making up for generations of actual evil.
I’ve been studying our history and it’s pretty fucked… It’s not what we got taught in school.
Oh, im aware. Lots of stuff we thought was limited to American colonization, education that has since been whitewashed to make it sound not as bad as it was, and general comments that miss most of the story. Even at the high school level.
You are not responsible for the actions of your ancestors, regardless of how direct or indirect it was. The flip side is that I did not suffer that treatment, and therefore can no blame my life and actions on it. Very different viewpoint to a number of my iwi, who are still stuck in the take take take and I’m owed mindset. Screwing over the next generation with their excuses.
Complain about it online and hope someone else does something about it, as far as I can tell.