If so, was it polled somewhere?

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          Why are you linking an actual propaganda thinktank as an example as of Uyghur Genocide?

          You could link any source, but you link one that is staffed by people who’s careers have been purely to lie about American’s enemies and push American interests?? I hope you’re a little sharper than that and you’re just linking that because you hope other people will swallow anything.

          “HEY GUYS THIS ORGANIZATION THAT IS PAID TO TELL ME THAT CHINA IS BAD, GET THIS, SAYS CHINA IS BAD!!”

          Come on bud.

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                It isn’t the government, and the sources cited within are very good. Would you only accept China or Russia’s word for it? Or are western sources okay?

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                  The sources cited are in large part Adrian Zenz and articles citing zenz. Radio free Asia shows up as well. How are these good sources?
                  Not to mention that Wikipedia is known to have a huge right wing bias and a well-known Nazi problem

                  I don’t trust Chinese or Russian media either, I employ a healthy level of scepticism towards any media.

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                    Is there any way I can convince you China is sterilizing and reeducating massive numbers of people in interment camps against their will? It seems like you’ve just said everything is untrustworthy.

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          While I think nay accusation of genocide should be taken seriously and investigated, I do not think we should accept these claims without basis, and we have to accept that despite several years of allegations, no proof has been provided. Both the US state department and the CIA have had to acknowledge that there is no genocide going on in Xinjiang. Here’s a carrd with mainly Western sources debunking the claims of genocide https://xinjiangahr.carrd.co/

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            Both the US state department and the CIA have had to acknowledge that there is no genocide going on in Xinjiang

            That’s very misleading. They say they have insufficient proof to say it is racially motivated. (Which is a prerequisite for genocide) But there is certainly great oppression happening there.

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              Both organisations have acknowledged that there is at the worst a cultural genocide going on - ie. An erasure of culture.
              One can wonder how such a genocide is carried out, when the Uyghur language is still taught, Uyghur culture and language is still freely distributed and promoted and Uyghur people are a prominent part of the Chinese popular culture.
              Your claim leads me to believe you did not engage with the sources provided to you.

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                Forced sterilisation (birth rates are down 60% vs about 10% for the rest of China) and forceful reeducation? They don’t care about the language as much as the shared cultural identity separate from China.

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                  Did you even look at the carrd? If you’re not gonna engage with the sources, then it’s pretty clear you’re not arguing in goog faith and there’s no reason for this discussion to continue

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                    I’m trying to talk in good faith, but I don’t have 10 hours to read about it. I’ve only researched about 1 or 2 hours. But I’m definitely not just taking your website at face value.

                    If you want to call the discussion off, I’m fine with that. This thread has given an adequate sample of hexbear ideology.

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                  Birth rates were already much lower in the rest of China, did the Han do a genocide on themselves first lol or is declining birth rate the norm in a country with massively improved economic conditions and development, and has that begun to affect the more rural regions of China?