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    She didn’t like them.

    She sure liked their methods.

    So are you saying that your brand of leftism was spawned before

    The French didn’t invent left or right - they just invented a useful shorthand to distinguish between the two.

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          Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hoxha, probably Tito and Castro, arguably Pol Pot, Guzman, arguably the PFLP.

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            Perpetrating mass-murder against the working class doesn’t conform to any worthwile description of the term “socialism” - so that disqualifies everyone on your list except Tito and Castro. And I’d describe them purely as nationalists.

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              5 months ago

              They might say things like “triage,” “greater good,” and “ends justify the means”;

              or as the Vietnam vet joke goes: “You don’t know, man! You weren’t there!”

              Kerensky failed.

              Lenin died.

              Trotsky lived in a client state of the Capitalist US Empire.

              Stalin got things done, and Brezhnev, for whatever his faults, continued it.

              https://youtu.be/QuN6GfUix7c?t=409 (cued, for about a minute)

              (and the thing supposedly in Camaroon apparantly didn’t happen)

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                They might say things like “triage,” “greater good,” and “ends justify the means”;

                It’s almost like they will say anything to justify the status quo - perfectly in line with all those seeking to enforce it.

                Stalin got things done,

                Only if you believe “got things done” includes almost handing the Soviet Union over to the nazis through his criminal mismanagement of the Red Army and/or forcing a murderously hamfisted, top-down industrialization program on the working class that the actual soviet councils would have achieved in a far, far more efficient manner without massive amounts of bloodshed and famine if the Bolsheviks hadn’t hijacked them and turned them into glorified rubberstamping bureucracies in their bloody counter-revolution back in the early 20s.

                You should be careful of “Great Man” fallacies. They are usually perfectly ahistorical. Whatever the Soviet Union achieved, it didn’t achieve them because of Joseph Stalin - it achieved them in spite of him.