As a former restructuring and bankruptcy advisor at Lazard, I can recognize the signs of a company in distress. And it’s a pretty obvious tell that there’s financial trouble brewing when a company stops paying its bills.
Sure. Just like he was with Tesla, which was never going to succeed, or if it did, be a niche market. Or like his even crazier idea to start a private orbital launch company.
Like one prominent investor said about Elon in general, I wouldn’t invest in Twitter but I wouldn’t bet against Elon either.
“Stealing ideas” isn’t a thing. Ideas are a dime a dozen. Prototypes are much rarer. The even more difficult part is taking things and mass manufacturing them in a way that people can afford and also want.
There’s no scam to manufacturing a million cars a year. Nor is SpaceX remotely a scam.
No matter how much of a dick he is on Twitter it doesn’t mean he is stupid and can’t build and organize companies that work really, really well. Nothing about doing that depends on someone being a “good” or likeable person.
I don’t worship anyone. But I don’t make up reality just to fit with my beliefs about how things should be according to my ideology.
He didn’t found Tesla. He truly did steal the company. SpaceX is ran in such a way where he is basically isolated and prevented from doing anything of consequence. Twitter is the first time we actually get to see his real level of ability.
You mean invested in it. Then took over as CEO when the board voted the former CEO out because he was spending everything they had without getting close to producing a car they could manufacture.
Telsa never produced any cars until Musk was running it.
The continued success under his leadership for the ramp ups for the Model S and and full on ramp up to mass manufacturing the Model 3 kind of demonstrates that. To say nothing of Spacex.
\What did Eberhard do after Tesla again?
Saying he did nothing of consequence at SpaceX would be claiming that everyone who worked with him there is flat out lying. People don’t talk smack about their former employers even if they don’t like them or think they are idiots… But they don’t make an effort to praise their abilities in that case either. I’m thinking it is more likely that you aren’t exactly in a position to know more than they do.
Twitter would be the only mature company with any previous success that he actually ever bought into and the only one he did not build from the ground up. Eberhard building a crap foundation that needed a lot of rebuilding doesn’t count.
I know you don’t want any of this to be true because he’s a dick. But the world isn’t a Hollywood movie where the bad guys get what you think they deserve and only the nice people are brilliant.
How are you able to see what’s going on at Twitter? Do you work there in a position where you have a decent overview of the company?
And sure, he might totally run Twitter into the ground. Like I said, I wouldn’t put money into the company. But it’s about where every other company he has run was, so I wouldn’t bet against his success there either.
The idea that if he fails at making Twitter a success means he is an idiot and Tesla and SpaceX are a fluke are delusional though.
Considering that Tesla & SpaceX have been dependent on government subsidies or selling carbon credits, they are not really a success in their own right.
He didn’t steal Tesla, he bought it. He’s been an investor since the first round. The guy is a complete piece of shit, but he is/was a good salesman. He’s the South African Steve Jobs. He doesn’t create/build, but sells.
I agree Musk isn’t a visionary. At one time I might have argued differently, but with his public face and Twitter disaster it’s pretty evident that he’s just a rich guy who finds something neat and throws money at it.
I hate Elon as a person as much as the next guy, but I’m sad to see Lemmy users with the same inability for emotional override as the average redditor. How this has downvotes is beyond me.
I think it’s a survival reflex. People pick up on popular trends, and follow them so they don’t get lynched. It’s hard to unlearn this kind of conditioning, even if you move to a relatively safe environment.
Sure. Just like he was with Tesla, which was never going to succeed, or if it did, be a niche market. Or like his even crazier idea to start a private orbital launch company.
Like one prominent investor said about Elon in general, I wouldn’t invest in Twitter but I wouldn’t bet against Elon either.
Stop worshipping a right-wing asshole. He just steals ideas or runs outright scams.
“Stealing ideas” isn’t a thing. Ideas are a dime a dozen. Prototypes are much rarer. The even more difficult part is taking things and mass manufacturing them in a way that people can afford and also want.
There’s no scam to manufacturing a million cars a year. Nor is SpaceX remotely a scam.
No matter how much of a dick he is on Twitter it doesn’t mean he is stupid and can’t build and organize companies that work really, really well. Nothing about doing that depends on someone being a “good” or likeable person.
I don’t worship anyone. But I don’t make up reality just to fit with my beliefs about how things should be according to my ideology.
He didn’t found Tesla. He truly did steal the company. SpaceX is ran in such a way where he is basically isolated and prevented from doing anything of consequence. Twitter is the first time we actually get to see his real level of ability.
You mean invested in it. Then took over as CEO when the board voted the former CEO out because he was spending everything they had without getting close to producing a car they could manufacture.
Telsa never produced any cars until Musk was running it.
The continued success under his leadership for the ramp ups for the Model S and and full on ramp up to mass manufacturing the Model 3 kind of demonstrates that. To say nothing of Spacex.
\What did Eberhard do after Tesla again?
Saying he did nothing of consequence at SpaceX would be claiming that everyone who worked with him there is flat out lying. People don’t talk smack about their former employers even if they don’t like them or think they are idiots… But they don’t make an effort to praise their abilities in that case either. I’m thinking it is more likely that you aren’t exactly in a position to know more than they do.
Twitter would be the only mature company with any previous success that he actually ever bought into and the only one he did not build from the ground up. Eberhard building a crap foundation that needed a lot of rebuilding doesn’t count.
I know you don’t want any of this to be true because he’s a dick. But the world isn’t a Hollywood movie where the bad guys get what you think they deserve and only the nice people are brilliant.
Then you are free to indulge in your fantasies. The rest of us can just look at Twitter and see what it really implies.
How are you able to see what’s going on at Twitter? Do you work there in a position where you have a decent overview of the company?
And sure, he might totally run Twitter into the ground. Like I said, I wouldn’t put money into the company. But it’s about where every other company he has run was, so I wouldn’t bet against his success there either.
The idea that if he fails at making Twitter a success means he is an idiot and Tesla and SpaceX are a fluke are delusional though.
Considering that Tesla & SpaceX have been dependent on government subsidies or selling carbon credits, they are not really a success in their own right.
Both have been propped up.
So Elon runs SpaceX, Tesla, and Twitter? I guess CEO is a part time job.
And Boring and that chip-brain company.
Did you even read the article?
He didn’t found space x either
He didn’t steal Tesla, he bought it. He’s been an investor since the first round. The guy is a complete piece of shit, but he is/was a good salesman. He’s the South African Steve Jobs. He doesn’t create/build, but sells.
Steve Jobs was a visionary
Musk is not, and never will be, a visionary.
I agree Musk isn’t a visionary. At one time I might have argued differently, but with his public face and Twitter disaster it’s pretty evident that he’s just a rich guy who finds something neat and throws money at it.
Elon Musk will never notice or care about you.
I hate Elon as a person as much as the next guy, but I’m sad to see Lemmy users with the same inability for emotional override as the average redditor. How this has downvotes is beyond me.
I think it’s a survival reflex. People pick up on popular trends, and follow them so they don’t get lynched. It’s hard to unlearn this kind of conditioning, even if you move to a relatively safe environment.