To me, the scene that most defined what the Jedi order had become and why it needed to end was at the big fight scene at the end of Attack of the Clones where Yoda and Dooku were dueling. When Dooku pulled a pillar down with the Force and then Yoda used the Force to catch it to prevent it from falling on to Obi-wan. He then made a spectacle of it by spinning it around before throwing it back at Dooku. What he should have done was just use the Force to move Obi-wan and Anakin to a safe position and continued to pursue Dooku. That scene just demonstrated how full of himself Yoda had become. And it took until his duel with Palpatine before he realized that he was a large part of what had gone wrong with the Jedi order. I also always felt that he intentionally withheld a lot of information about the Jedi order from Luke in order to prevent him from rebuilding a similar system.
I have a really hard time separating a character’s decisions and the director/cinematographer decisions
Like, did Yoda do that or did someone decide he would do that because test audiences thought it looked cooler (or something like that). I hope I conveyed that properly
Aren’t the director’s decisions basically the same as the character’s? I mean, they’re fictional so the only insight into their character is what we’re shown by the media (i.e. the director’s choices).
Sure, but it’s one thing to think “Yoda was full of himself” and another to think “director wanted a cool looking fight”. They’re basically saying you shouldn’t analyze the thing too much because there wasn’t THAT much thought put into it. Not every move had the character’s thoughts and feelings taken into consideration.
High acceleration has… undesirable effects, let’s say, on a sack of meat and bones. “Space magic”, sure, but I’d argue that in a high-stress situation like the middle of a fight it’d be a lot less risky to move the pillar. If you fuck up calculating how much force (lol) to use, you might end up with Obi-Was instead.
I don’t remember the scene exactly. But it might be that the pillar was falling fast enough that he couldn’t move them (or it would be risky). Moving the pillar was way safer.
Regardless, he takes it and starts spinning it around before throwing it which was entirely unnecessary and only for show. He could’ve just as easily deflected it to a safer location.
To me, the scene that most defined what the Jedi order had become and why it needed to end was at the big fight scene at the end of Attack of the Clones where Yoda and Dooku were dueling. When Dooku pulled a pillar down with the Force and then Yoda used the Force to catch it to prevent it from falling on to Obi-wan. He then made a spectacle of it by spinning it around before throwing it back at Dooku. What he should have done was just use the Force to move Obi-wan and Anakin to a safe position and continued to pursue Dooku. That scene just demonstrated how full of himself Yoda had become. And it took until his duel with Palpatine before he realized that he was a large part of what had gone wrong with the Jedi order. I also always felt that he intentionally withheld a lot of information about the Jedi order from Luke in order to prevent him from rebuilding a similar system.
I have a really hard time separating a character’s decisions and the director/cinematographer decisions
Like, did Yoda do that or did someone decide he would do that because test audiences thought it looked cooler (or something like that). I hope I conveyed that properly
I think you conveyed it excellently - not solely because it was the exact thought I had. I would have used more clumsy wording though.
Aren’t the director’s decisions basically the same as the character’s? I mean, they’re fictional so the only insight into their character is what we’re shown by the media (i.e. the director’s choices).
Sure, but it’s one thing to think “Yoda was full of himself” and another to think “director wanted a cool looking fight”. They’re basically saying you shouldn’t analyze the thing too much because there wasn’t THAT much thought put into it. Not every move had the character’s thoughts and feelings taken into consideration.
You mean to say that fantasy characters don’t have a fully fleshed out character like real life people do?
I’m shocked I say
High acceleration has… undesirable effects, let’s say, on a sack of meat and bones. “Space magic”, sure, but I’d argue that in a high-stress situation like the middle of a fight it’d be a lot less risky to move the pillar. If you fuck up calculating how much force (lol) to use, you might end up with Obi-Was instead.
I don’t remember the scene exactly. But it might be that the pillar was falling fast enough that he couldn’t move them (or it would be risky). Moving the pillar was way safer.
Regardless, he takes it and starts spinning it around before throwing it which was entirely unnecessary and only for show. He could’ve just as easily deflected it to a safer location.