SEO disgusts me. On that topic I also hate when people in YT videos are begging for likes, subs ands comments to boost engagement and optimize their video in the algorithm. I get it, they are kinda forced to, but that’s such a sad state of affairs.
Gods yes. It basically steamrolls everything and you end up with two situations: people who knowingly game the algorithm for malicious intent and pollute search engines and media platforms, or you have people who are earnestly playing to the algorithm to help their “content” get noticed because that’s the only way it will get noticed. It creates this homogeneous landscape where everything looks the same, everyone’s doing and posting the same things, everyone is chasing trends and virality, and no one is doing anything interesting or creative anymore because novel ideas that aren’t SEO’d to death don’t get noticed.
So what we end up with is our current situation: a toxic landscape of “influencers”, “content creators”, content farms, ad farms, bots, etc. polluting everything, and people with genuine passion and interesting ideas getting buried under a sea of engagement bait, rage-bait, and disguised ads.
As the passive aggressive outro from SuperfastMatt goes:
“It used to be that you had to impress people to get people to watch your show, now you just have to impress the algorithm. So do me a favour, hit that subscribe button, all hail the algorithm.”
Depends on how they do it. If the like-and-subscribe begging is at the end of the video, thats ok in my opinion. But if the 10m01s video starts with an insanely loud intro followed by begging followed by a “hey guys” followed by a sponsor segment followed by a Discord server promotion, then that’s just obnoxious.
Recently I also unsubbed from a channel that started using community posts for ad promotion. Made me irrationally mad, not gonna lie.
SEO is of itself is not all bad. Content creators need to do certain things, which do little directly for the consumer, but help the algo understand what the content is and how the owner would prefer it be seen. For example, something simple like the title attribute of a web page tells the search engine how it should label the content in the search results. That’s SEO and generaly a good thing for everyone.
As you say, the “please like, subscribe, comment and say a prayer to the algo” annoyance is just what we have to accept for free content on these platforms. It’s the cost of anyone being able to upload video to YT.
Where it goes wrong imho, is filling the world with essentially meaningless machine produced content to aid in the rankings. This isn’t new with AI btw. People have been using article “spinning” or outsourced garbage content creation for years or decades to do the same and potentially even better than what AI does. In the old days building thousands of links from garbage content to your content in order to have the algo see the links as “votes” for the supposed quality of the content. Those of us who ran forums saw this all the time.
SEO is wrong - it’s like an arms race where the shittiest party spending the most wins and every one else needs to play by the rules to even exist.
The world would be better off if noone did it in the first place and search engines could just do the job they intended to do.
Google totally went to shit in the last years with their first page often full of websites great at SEO but horrible in whatever you were actually looking for.
Meanwhile the little ultra-specific forum that had a thread years ago about your specific search and no money for SEO is somewhere on page 5 while websites just repeating the search phrase over and over with no answer in sight are at the top.
That whole industry can cease to exist from one day to the next and nothing of value would be lost - if anything value would be gained for the average person
That whole industry can cease to exist from one day to the next and nothing of value would be lost - if anything value would be gained for the average person
That last point can’t be stressed enough. The whole marketing sector is essentially a net negative to society because neither an actual product gets produced nor any useful service is offered.
while websites just repeating the search phrase over and over with no answer in sight are at the top
A decade or so ago, this was a really bad problem, especially with sites like Experts Exchange et al. Content farms just grabbing your query and puking back to you. Or, sites that would take a thread on one forum, and then replicate it across 10 other sites as though they’re different forums, but it’s the exact same posts. But it’s gotten so, so, so much worse in the last year or so. Google searches these days are like wading through a septic tank trying to find a microgram of gold.
Want to back you up on a point. People have been copy/pasting, or adding fluff like a high school paper, to AP articles since its inception. This was happening well before the earliest days of the internet.
SEO disgusts me. On that topic I also hate when people in YT videos are begging for likes, subs ands comments to boost engagement and optimize their video in the algorithm. I get it, they are kinda forced to, but that’s such a sad state of affairs.
Gods yes. It basically steamrolls everything and you end up with two situations: people who knowingly game the algorithm for malicious intent and pollute search engines and media platforms, or you have people who are earnestly playing to the algorithm to help their “content” get noticed because that’s the only way it will get noticed. It creates this homogeneous landscape where everything looks the same, everyone’s doing and posting the same things, everyone is chasing trends and virality, and no one is doing anything interesting or creative anymore because novel ideas that aren’t SEO’d to death don’t get noticed.
So what we end up with is our current situation: a toxic landscape of “influencers”, “content creators”, content farms, ad farms, bots, etc. polluting everything, and people with genuine passion and interesting ideas getting buried under a sea of engagement bait, rage-bait, and disguised ads.
So true! Well said!
As the passive aggressive outro from SuperfastMatt goes:
“It used to be that you had to impress people to get people to watch your show, now you just have to impress the algorithm. So do me a favour, hit that subscribe button, all hail the algorithm.”
Install the web-browser extension SponsorBlock
Crowd-sourced auto-skip
This! I literally found out about it like a couple days ago and I’m really liking it!
It’s the reason revanced is >> the official YouTube app even with a paid YT subscription
Depends on how they do it. If the like-and-subscribe begging is at the end of the video, thats ok in my opinion. But if the 10m01s video starts with an insanely loud intro followed by begging followed by a “hey guys” followed by a sponsor segment followed by a Discord server promotion, then that’s just obnoxious.
Recently I also unsubbed from a channel that started using community posts for ad promotion. Made me irrationally mad, not gonna lie.
SEO is of itself is not all bad. Content creators need to do certain things, which do little directly for the consumer, but help the algo understand what the content is and how the owner would prefer it be seen. For example, something simple like the title attribute of a web page tells the search engine how it should label the content in the search results. That’s SEO and generaly a good thing for everyone.
As you say, the “please like, subscribe, comment and say a prayer to the algo” annoyance is just what we have to accept for free content on these platforms. It’s the cost of anyone being able to upload video to YT.
Where it goes wrong imho, is filling the world with essentially meaningless machine produced content to aid in the rankings. This isn’t new with AI btw. People have been using article “spinning” or outsourced garbage content creation for years or decades to do the same and potentially even better than what AI does. In the old days building thousands of links from garbage content to your content in order to have the algo see the links as “votes” for the supposed quality of the content. Those of us who ran forums saw this all the time.
SEO is wrong - it’s like an arms race where the shittiest party spending the most wins and every one else needs to play by the rules to even exist.
The world would be better off if noone did it in the first place and search engines could just do the job they intended to do.
Google totally went to shit in the last years with their first page often full of websites great at SEO but horrible in whatever you were actually looking for.
Meanwhile the little ultra-specific forum that had a thread years ago about your specific search and no money for SEO is somewhere on page 5 while websites just repeating the search phrase over and over with no answer in sight are at the top.
That whole industry can cease to exist from one day to the next and nothing of value would be lost - if anything value would be gained for the average person
That last point can’t be stressed enough. The whole marketing sector is essentially a net negative to society because neither an actual product gets produced nor any useful service is offered.
A decade or so ago, this was a really bad problem, especially with sites like Experts Exchange et al. Content farms just grabbing your query and puking back to you. Or, sites that would take a thread on one forum, and then replicate it across 10 other sites as though they’re different forums, but it’s the exact same posts. But it’s gotten so, so, so much worse in the last year or so. Google searches these days are like wading through a septic tank trying to find a microgram of gold.
Now they can cut out the middle man and have a robot do that. The Future is Now.
Want to back you up on a point. People have been copy/pasting, or adding fluff like a high school paper, to AP articles since its inception. This was happening well before the earliest days of the internet.