• HubertManne@kbin.social
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    7 months ago

    lost in 2022??? when did this type of thinking take over. My satan do people have memories that span longer than a decade!!!

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      7 months ago

      When people let the news organizations do the thinking for them. Which is always.

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          7 months ago

          Media spin is what idiots listen to, because they’re too uneducated and/or unwilling to think for themselves.

          You are right, Dems lost in those years you mention. But they lost because of idiot voters, not because of specifically those actions. Looking deeper than just Fox News or MSNBC would see that the majority of those issues were Dems trying to clean up Republican-made messes. As usual.

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            7 months ago

            When you give people hope, and then either do nothing or the opposite of what people want, it’s not “idiot voters” fault, it’s the candidate’s fault for not doing what the people you depend on to keep your job wanted.

            The people Biden depends on want him to end the genocide. The people Biden depends on want cheap EVs/solar panels. It’s not “idiot voters” fault when Biden doesn’t do these things and fails to get reelected.

            Political representation goes one way, the candidates do what their constituents want or they don’t get elected. Republican politicians understand that, and that’s why their voter base turns out at a higher rate, sadly their voter base is people who want to make everything worse.

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              7 months ago

              candidates do what their constituents want or they don’t get elected

              You are living in a dream world then. Candidates do what the money tells them to do – and it’s been this way for 40+ years, exacerbated by the Citizens United decision. That’s a huge part of the problem. But if the voter base had a clue in the first place, we would have better people in office by now. So yes, it comes down to idiot uneducated voters.

              I wish you luck in your endeavors.

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                7 months ago

                So you understand that the candidates do not represent the voters, but you still feel the voters have some obligation to vote for a candidate that does not represent them, and they cannot influence.

                How do you reconcile these two thoughts?

                Personally I just provide the analysis that “dems need to do <thing people want> to get elected”, don’t vote dem because they never do those things, and work for local orgs that occasionally make a difference.