• Tinidril@midwest.social
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    8 months ago

    supports Israel too much for political reasons

    Now c’mon, does this statement really embrace reality? Aside from it’s toxic passivity, it’s not even true. Biden’s brand of support for Israel has been absolutely toxic politically. He supports Israel because it is the hub of US power projection in the Middle East.

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      He supports Israel because it is the hub of US power projection in the Middle East.

      How is that not a political reason?

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        what does that even mean? ‘ok he supports a genocidal ethnostate, but its only cause of power projection in the middleeast’

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          Exactly, it’s not that he, personally, wants to slaughter millions of Arabs, it’s just that that’s the price we have to pay to preserve the American ability to slaughter millions of other Arabs in the future.

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          Meh israel does not provide any security anymore. If anything they make the region less secure and unified against America.

          Saudi is bending over backwards to keep supporting israel for America.

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            Meh israel does not provide any security anymore.

            No disrespect meant, but that is a factually ignorant statement to make. We regular people don’t see allot of whats going on in the background.

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              No we just see israel committing Genocide after Genocide and destabilizing the entire middle east.

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                We regular people don’t see allot of whats going on in the background.

                No we just see israel committing Genocide after Genocide and destabilizing the entire middle east.

                Exactly. We don’t see all the behind the scenes stuff for security reasons.

                Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think any military/country is allowed to kill civilians to get to their enemies, ever. A country doesn’t get to use an ‘our enemies are in that population zone so we can destroy the population zone to get to them’ excuse.

                But there’s a lot of history, security wise, going on between America and Israel, that is not so easily dismissed.

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                  There’s plenty of videos of the AIPAC lobby bribing American politicians. As for the rest, even folks like Kissinger said that israel just exists to protect israel. Not American interests in the middle east.

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                    Have you ever heard of the word “oil”?

                    They’re the most friendly nation in that area to us, even more so than the oil producing countries, and we rely on them for security for access to that oil.

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        It’s politics in the sense that war is politics by another means, but that’s not really what people associate with the word. If you want to take it that far, there isn’t much that couldn’t be called politics.

        “Biden supports Israel because it gets the first lady horny”. Well, that’s just marriage politics!

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      He supports Israel because they’ve been standing Allies for like 70 years and a lot of things ride on the US being seen as a reliable ally.

      Not saying I agree, just that any other president would be doing the same thing

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        What enemy does the US need Israel to help us face? Israel’s strategic value to the US is largely as a base for US operations. Not that Israel doesn’t have a strong military, but it’s not that important for the US.

        Yes, I agree that any other president would do the same. Biden, in fact, has pushed Israel harder than any other US president since WWII. Of course Israel is being more psychotic in this moment than it has ever been before, so I would expect us to be applying more pressure.