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      9 months ago

      Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

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        I don’t understand why people in the US fall for that take. Socialism did take root in the US - that’s the whole reason they had to invent police and alphabet organisations to crush it.

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                Absolutely. Americans can, to a limited degree, hide behind the excuse that they are the most propaganda-drenched people on the planet.

                Can you?

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                  9 months ago

                  It’s a ~famous quote. Do you think a quote reflects my personal views on something? Should I perhaps go about and edit quotes to my liking?

                  Secondly, “take root” is ofc metaphorical, and we could argue the semantics of what constitutes “taking root”. It’s clear that at the very least if it took root, it lost to some degree to another thing that took root (like a corporate kleptocracy) and while no-country is perfect clearly the countries with much better social programs has had this metaphorical plant of socialism bloom a bit more.

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                    Should I perhaps go about and edit quotes to my liking?

                    No. Just pick ones that actually stand up to scrutiny. I guess you don’t know where the term “redneck” (as it’s used in the US, of course) actually comes from, do you?

                    It’s clear that at the very least if it took root, it lost to some degree

                    Absolutely not. It was actively destroyed. Do you really think they invented internal political police organisations like the FBI to “fight crime”?

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          9 months ago

          But in south America they have been robbed blind by communists getting 11.5% loans from China for failed projects. IN DOZENS OF LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES!

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            South America was robbed blind by Europe and North America.

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              Yes. And then in the 21 century it was robbed by extreme left wing narco dictators and militant groups…

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            Yeah, it’s all China’s fault and totally not the imperial power who exploited South America for decades, foisted murderous fascist regimes onto it and funded genocidal death squads over there who murdered millions.

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              Indeed it is the fault of them! Your sarcasm about what happened over two decades ago, does not mean they the lady twenty years isn’t EXACTLY how you describe : China and venezuela and farc and so on, abusing the entire continent.

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                Hey fellow white supremacist mass-murder enthusiast! I’m on your side here! As I said… it’s all China’s fault and totally not the imperial power who exploited South America for decades, foisted murderous fascist regimes onto it and funded genocidal death squads over there who murdered millions.

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                  You are trying to ignore the last twenty years by referring to the time before it. But it is very clear there are bad things going on since the 2000s that are being fixed now by criminally investigating EXTREME LEFT NARCO DICTATORS & their enablers

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                  9 months ago

                  I am moderate, I hate trump. I would vote for left wing in developed countries WITH WORKING ESTABLISHED INSTITUTIONS (northern Europe).

                  I would however NEVER vote left in undeveloped countries, not because of ideology, but because it’s too easy to be infiltrated by farc Cuba venezuela narco sinaloa ruzzian Chinese political pressure etc. They really fucked up MOST South American countries in the LAST TWENTY YEARS.

                  Do you understand?

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                    I am moderate

                    You mean… like Pinochet? Best moderate in the world - according to white supremacist fascist sympathizers trying to pretend they’re not white supremacist fascist sympathizers!

                    Please don’t stop now, white supremacist fascists sympathizer - oops, I meant to say, “moderate.”