• morgan423@lemmy.worldEnglish
    182·
    1 year ago

    You all might not be aware, but I think Rudd started this server only at the beginning of June for funsies, probably only expecting a couple of hundred users.

    Then, of course, came Reddit API-calypse. Now, here we are barely 4 weeks later, almost 80k users on the instance. From nothing, to a respectable chuck of the fediverse, just that fast. Pretty amazing.

  • I Cast Fist@programming.devEnglish
    79·
    1 year ago

    Keep in mind, dear folks, simply coming ain’t enough. Be sure to stay and visit often, otherwise the rich assholes win ;)

  • Fangslash@lemmy.worldEnglish
    761·
    1 year ago

    I have tried many forum-styled site over the years including the politically more questionable ones, and from what I see theres 3 hurdles a site need to pass in order to be good:

    1. it needs good infrastructure, especially user interface (where 4ch, most forum, and now reddit fail)

    2. it has some gatekeeping to filter out the “order consumers”, but not too much that it drives user away, including having a toxic environment (where 4ch and .win fail)

    3. it needs to have enough user generated content so thay theres actually reasons to use the site (whre most reddit clones fail)

    from what I see lemmy has passed all the hurdles, and I have good hope the fediverse will stick around

      • Fangslash@lemmy.worldEnglish
        261·
        1 year ago

        In a community, whether if it’s online or your local club or just society in general, it requires admin/moderator/judges/law enforcement etc. to put in hard work to create rules and order so everything function smoothly. In a sense, the “order” they create here can be treated as a commodity.

        A user can do things that helps out the moderators and create order (e.g. taxes, volunteering), or break rules and cause chaos, which “consumes” order (e.g. criminal activity, riots, trolling etc.) . Order consumers refers to people who consumes more order than they create.

        E: typo

        • scarrtt@lemmy.worldEnglish
          8·
          1 year ago

          It seems like an odd term for what you’re describing. Shouldn’t it be something like “Civic Detractors” or “Chaos Agents”?

          • Fangslash@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            1 year ago

            Quite similar, I use “order consumer” as you can apply a lot of concepts from finance and economy for a regular consumer, it also makes a bit more sense consider someone can both consumes and create order, e.g. they pay their taxes (creates order) but also litter (consumes order), and its only a problem when you consume more than you create

  • Andreas@feddit.dkEnglish
    807·
    1 year ago

    This is not a good thing. Part of the problem is third-party apps like Sync and other Fediverse advocates that direct Reddit users to sign up on only one instance, lemmy.world. This is understandable to keep things simple for the Redditors but it hurts lemmy.world (cost and performance-wise) and the Fediverse as a whole (centralization) to have a lot of accounts on one instance. I hope lemmy.world can make an announcement or guide to encourage users to spread out to more instances.

    • Coelacanth@lemmy.worldEnglish
      28·
      1 year ago

      I think another reason too is that .world is run by Ruud who is a trusted actor in the space (he already runs Mastodon.world, a large mastodon instance), and so many (including me) probably felt it would be a safe harbor and not likely to get shut down or run poorly.

      • Hypersapien@lemmy.worldEnglish
        22·
        1 year ago

        Maybe ony Lemmy.world’s registration page thay can list other instances that they trust and endorse.

        • Coelacanth@lemmy.worldEnglish
          9·
          1 year ago

          Not a bad idea. Might need assistance vetting servers and admins right now though as Ruud is probably busy taking a fire extinguisher to the server room every other minute.

        • darkstar@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          This is a brilliant idea. Drive all the traffic to lemmy.world as it seems like the “main hub”, then when registering drive users to a few other instances as well

          • Hypersapien@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            Maybe we should set up a separate site that monitors different instances and tries to suggest instances in the federation group that you want and then everyone gets directed there.

      • ramplay@lemmy.caEnglish
        12·
        1 year ago

        I stumbled into lemmy disoriented and just went with lemmy.ca because I always want to support ‘local’ domains. I’m surprised people go for for something like ‘.world’ tbh. Although, I think your logic makes sense I also know how little people read and its safer to say people just signed up for the instance that was the path of least resistance (low application threshold, links guiding them in, etc)

        • captainlezbian@lemmy.worldEnglish
          9·
          1 year ago

          I scrolled through a few that were recommended and world seemed like it was just generally the best fit for me. Especially since I didn’t want any chance of running into explicitly queerphobic communities while having plenty of variety in topics

        • GregorGizeh@lemmy.worldEnglish
          32·
          1 year ago

          It’s just that I really don’t care about what happens in my area within this context, I can just go outside to know what’s going on. And if I want to talk to local people I don’t do it on here either, so I prefer more international communities than just my town except it’s online

    • Resonosity@dgngrnder.comEnglish
      28·
      1 year ago

      For anyone that’s using Lemmy.world and wants to lessen their burden on the admins, look for a Lemmy instance closer to you (in the physical world) using this site:

      https://fediverse.observer/map

      Sign up on that instance, sign in on your Lemmy app, sort based on All, and you should be able to see the same content as if you were on Lemmy.world!

      • Protoknuckles@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        1 year ago

        Me just now - Oh that’s a good idea! (Looks up the instances near me and sees the names) Oh, that’s right. I live in conservative hell. :(

        I’ll go a little further and find a less crazy instance…

      • hunt4peas@lemmy.mlEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        I only have Mastodon instances near me. Can Mastodon instances browse Lemmy instances?

        • Resonosity@dgngrnder.comEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          I believe Mastodon is a different software compared to Lemmy. Lemmy is an aggregation software of the entire Fediverse, while Mastodon is more like Twitter. My limited knowledge of Mastodon makes me think that it wouldn’t be possible to see Lemmy instances, but if you sent your comment using Mastodon then there might be a chance. Hopefully someone else in the comments will sound off.

          • sv1sjp@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            1 year ago

            You can see posts and users on Lemmy instances from Mastodon. However there are some limitations.

      • diggit@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        It would be helpful if they would allow you to filter by which instances allow sign ups. Unless I’m just not seeing it.

      • rookie@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        I think the best approach might be general subject-specific instances? Like, video.games with a main games community, meme community, then smaller communities for various games - or sports.social, with communities for each sport.

        I feel like we’re going to end up with a particular community on a particular instance ending up as the “default” community for that subject, but it’d probably be better (in an ideal world) to have those on separate instances to maintain some degree of decentralization

      • Andreas@feddit.dkEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        I know that it’s inevitable, but the signup flow should try to weaken that effect instead of contribute to it. An example of how not to do it is Mastodon’s old homepage which led to only one instance, mastodon.social, to “make onboarding easier”.

    • SeedyOne@lemmy.caEnglish
      112·
      1 year ago

      I think we’re trusting them to crunch the numbers and simply shut off registration if it gets out of control. At least, I’d hope so.

      • Andreas@feddit.dkEnglish
        101·
        1 year ago

        That wouldn’t be good either if third parties are still funnelling new users to lemmy.world. They’ll see a “sign ups closed” message, assume there is only one forum and it’s closed, then go back to Reddit.

        • charrondev@lemm.eeEnglish
          3·
          1 year ago

          Actually it’s even worse than that. I tried yesterday to register on https://lemmy.ml but it let me go through the registration process up to the submit button before returning an error message “Registration Closed”.

          • It’s very annoying to have closed registration in the first place.
          • When registration is closed the registration form should definitely not be present and let me fill the whole form.
          • The error message should not just say “Registration Closed”, there should be some indication of where else I should go to register.
          • ElectroVagrant@lemmy.worldMEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            This is good feedback! If you haven’t already, you might post it to !lemmy_support@lemmy.ml. They may have already gotten this feedback, so you might do a quick skim of other posts before doing so, but honestly it’d be good to post just with this point specifically, since others may have only tossed it in amidst more general feedback.

        • SeedyOne@lemmy.caEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          A necessary evil but one that can be overcome. I would hope there’d be a way to leave a message about trying one of many other instances or at least a link to a Fediverse FAQ.

    • LaVacaMariposa@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      1 year ago

      Hi, I’m new here. How can I move to another instance? Is there a way to migrate, or do I just have to register another account somewhere else? Thanks :)

      • CeruleanRuin@lemmy.oneEnglish
        8·
        1 year ago

        I’m new, but slightly less so, and haven’t yet found a way to migrate my account to a new instance. But it’s also fairly trivial to just create a new account on another instance, especially when you don’t yet have a ton of subscriptions or much of a reply history to lose. Lemmy doesn’t have a running karma like reddit did, so it’s not like you’re even losing fake internet points in the process.

      • Resonosity@dgngrnder.comEnglish
        51·
        1 year ago

        I don’t think you can migrate, since if that was possible your “karma” would also be able to move with you. People have been asking for that recently, but others have been saying that the Lemmy software doesn’t support that.

        I think the best thing you can do is make a new account on a new instance and look back at the rest of the fediverse from that instance.

    • Willer@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      1 year ago

      I gotta give it to this instance tho. Right now it has the fastest loading time ive ever experienced on the internet in a long time. Dont browse too fast tho, or you might get rate limited.

    • Getawombatupya@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      1 year ago

      How is it possible to decentralise sign ups and see/searchable content and tabs? I used to be tech savvy but these days I struggle a bit. Turning into a dinosaur.

      • Andreas@feddit.dkEnglish
        9·
        1 year ago

        I have a “when I stop being bad at web development” project idea for this, hopefully someone who has a development background can pick it up.

        The idea is an open-source onboarding portal that takes all Lemmy instances from awesome-lemmy-instances and Kbin instances from FediDB and lets their admins tag their instances with what the instance is focused on, maybe through a dedicated community or something. This list of instances and tags is public so instances can’t cheat the system with fake tags or get secretly blacklisted just because the project maintainer disagrees with them.

        Users get directed to the portal and fill out a quiz with questions like “what are your hobbies”, “do you prefer strict or lax moderation”, and get matched to a list of the closest servers and recommended communities. There will also be a simple load balancing algorithm to make large instances less likely to be recommended. Of course, because it’s open source, the algorithm and list of instances can be changed if someone wants to host their own portal.

        Basically, something like Spread Mastodon that covers the entire known network and not just a few of the largest instances that are approved by mastodon.social.

        • Coelacanth@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          1 year ago

          I like the idea and it sounds like a fantastic tool for people who would have been interested in the Fediverse anyway. I just fear taking a quiz is too cumbersome to be an optimal onboarding method for Lemmy as a Reddit replacement. The reason .world exploded in popularity was the simplicity (just go here and sign up and you’re posting within minutes and your Local is the biggest instance so you’re going to find content even if you’ve not discovered the All button).

          • Andreas@feddit.dkEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            Doesn’t every major social media website have an onboarding quiz these days? Whenever I created an alt on Reddit or Twitter, there would be this prompt asking me what I’m interested in, then it would recommend subreddits/accounts/hashtags to follow. I know Facebook and Instagram prompt for your contacts and interests to generate recommendations too. If the average social media user can manage this, so can future Threadiverse users.

    • hyazinthe@feddit.deEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      At least, users of lemmy.world (and from different servers when we are at it) should be educated, so they feel relatively confident to switch and understand why this is important.

  • Neuraxis@lemmy.worldEnglish
    64·
    1 year ago

    Lemmy perfectly represents the adage “building the plane as you fly it” and it’s been so much fun seeing it take shape.

    • Iceman@lemmy.worldEnglish
      141·
      1 year ago

      It’s great. In weeks people has packed their bags and badabing badaboom new community. The party continues as reddit never happened (besides the gloating ofc)

  • Bagofbuttholes@programming.devEnglish
    571·
    1 year ago

    I suppose this is a good place for my first post. I’m happy to be here. This has saved me from the withdrawals of losing reddit. I hope we can make this an active community.

  • Rhoeri@lemmy.worldEnglish
    53·
    1 year ago

    As a refugee myself, it’s amazing to see the growth. In just the four days I’ve been here, there’s been sensuous growth seen.

  • trouser_mouse@lemmy.worldEnglish
    542·
    1 year ago

    Really interested to hear about the plans and costs to scale up and grow in a stable, reliable, and safe way. Hopefully Patreon membership grows too and allows continued performance improvements.

    I think for more casual users, continued degraded performance - or worse, an instance being stopped for whatever reason and the content and accounts being lost - would probably stop the platform being a true replacement. Casual users would head back to Reddit.

    I think having a public roadmap and backlog, good communication and transparency will be super important, particularly in these early stages.

    Great job so far, this kind of sudden growth is not easy to manage!

    • the_ghost_of_dignity@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      1 year ago

      I’m hopeful it could be a fresh start like before reddit was really popular and there were a lot more discussions being surfaced to all page over reposts.

      It was how I would find new subs and rabbit holes.

    • c0c0c0@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      1 year ago

      I wonder to what extent causal users contribute to the health of the platform. May depend on how “casual” they are, but it may be possible that their absence won’t be that detrimental.

  • DopamineDeficient@lemmy.worldEnglish
    47·
    1 year ago

    Honestly, I also try to be more active as a user in Lemmy, and it feels way more rewarding because it feels like a more tight-knitly community here. Like it a lot!

  • TimMadisun@lemmy.worldEnglish
    40·
    1 year ago

    I joined this morning and this is my first comment this afternoon. Fuck spez, this place seems much nicer.

  • Vamp@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
    37·
    1 year ago

    For reference point:

    On July first 1 am, we had 62k people.

    As of right now, we’re at 75k

    80k

  • xSPYXEx@lemmy.worldEnglish
    37·
    1 year ago

    I’m very excited to see how this all develops. Right now it’s pretty rough and the constant failure to load/comments getting duplicated or disappearing hurts a lot but it does have potential. Let the Lemmy’s free!

      • xSPYXEx@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        That’s understandable, I think my (and many other refugee adopters) are just trying to figure out how the fediverse works and how instances communicate with each other. If I have a .world account I can pull threads from the other Lemmy servers, can I cross the streams into something like Mastodon too?

        • hazeebabee@slrpnk.netEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          Yes, you can view and interact with mastadon and knin accounts though lemmy. tho something like kbin integrates better with lemmy because their interfaces are pretty similar. I think as development continues we will see better tools for different areas of the fediverse to better interact with eachother.

    • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caEnglish
      81·
      1 year ago

      Let the Lemmy’s free!

      I believe “Lemmings” is the preferred nomenclature :P

      • Lommy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        1 year ago

        I’d rather not be called a lemming tbh. Especially during these times online