• xmunk@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    Let’s instead declare public enemy number one as the asshat marketers that took away our physical keys and forced us to use poorly secured dongles.

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      10 months ago

      Its really no worse than it was with keys. The flipper zero only works on very cheap, corner cutting simple systems. A lot of cars (and all cars should) use non-repeating codes so a simple interception is useless. That doesn’t make them invincible of course.

      Those cars would, back in the day, use simple corner cutting keys to be secured. There were quite a few cars back in the day that would have only a very small number of keys meaning there was a mon-trivial chance of you running into a car that you could open that wasn’t your own. There are countless stories of people accidentally unlocking and getting into cars that are not there’s.

      Here’s a concrete example, there are only about 5000 different keys for some brands of Toyota. A car thief could get 10keys and try 10cars a day (and remember this would take a minute or 2 and not really look suspicious) and successfully steal a car every 2 months or so. A dongle pretty decisively kills this avenue of attack. But like all things shitty engineering opens up new attacks, although on the whole it’s a lot harder to steal a car today than before dongles.

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      10 months ago

      Agreed! It’s actually pretty easy to make a car not start - that is in fact the default behavior for a large chunk of metal. The fact they will start given whatever fixed input is incredibly unnecessary.

      Edit: Apparently they don’t? It’s in the article. This announcement is just totally misaimed.

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      11 months ago

      Dont all cars still have physical keys (necessary for dead batteries)?

      And don’t all cars have a switch to turn off wireless keys?

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        11 months ago

        I can most assuredly tell you that that is not the case, my vehicle does have a physical key hidden away in the fob, it however only unlocks the driver side door, that’s it.

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            10 months ago

            Ok cool, I have entered my vehicle with the key alone, there is no possible way to start it without the fob. Save possibly a flipper,

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                10 months ago

                Well for me it does not, hell my car doesn’t even have a oil or transmission dipstick, they have taken those away and run the info through the infotainment console.