• schmorp@slrpnk.netEnglish
    113·
    10 months ago

    Captcha buster is taking care of the captchas now at least. A robot that proves I’m not a robot. Is this the singularity yet?

  • ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    61·
    9 months ago

    Internet in 2024 (for me):

    1. Service unavailable in your country (VPN)
    2. Confirm you’re a human (VPN)
    3. Blank page (noscript)
    4. Obscure error (fingerprint / cookie blocking)
    5. Page not found (https required)

    The percentage of websites that “just work” with privacy measures in place is depressingly small.

    • Stawwy@suppo.fi
      182·
      9 months ago

      you have to put in extra work just to make your website not work with privacy measures. like you have to put in the work to use some bloated javascript framework that doesn’t work with noscript instead of just sticking with plain html and css, which would work. on top of that, i’ve encountered way too many big websites that don’t even have a noscript tag so all you see is a ghost layout or a blank page.

      • Kayana@ttrpg.network
        171·
        9 months ago

        That’s something I would disagree with though. “Sticking with plain HTML and CSS” is way more work, and often has significantly less functionality, than building a website with a framework.

        • Stawwy@suppo.fi
          4·
          9 months ago

          you can build it with a framework, but maybe build it on the server side instead. I’ve seen many nice sites that hardly use any javascript and instead of a bunch of api calls, the server just returns new html to render.

      • ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        1·
        9 months ago

        I don’t mind frameworks, but some features that seem super useful to devs, like google analytics, and various diagnostic/logging tools, social media integrations, I would prefer to “opt in” when I decide they are necessary.

      • Plopp@lemmy.world
        9·
        9 months ago

        Not the person you’re asking and I’m running uMatrix instead of noscript to block scripts. But I do it to get more granular control over what my browser loads and runs. Why run scripts if a website works perfectly fine without them? These days I ain’t trusting shit out there on the web.

      • ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        2·
        9 months ago

        Tldr: I prefer to opt-in.

        Technically it’s uBO, but I use the extreme setting that blocks all scripts by default. Truthfully I wasn’t aware just how many scripts get loaded especially on ecommerce and social media sites, there are too many heavy frameworks being used. Much of it is unnecessary bloat, slowing down my browser, and no small amount of it is devoted to tracking and data collection.

        In general, I find less than half of loaded scripts are required to make a page functional. It’s a process requiring trial-and-error, but I have a good set of base rules in place for trusted sites and scripts.

        For me, it’s about not giving websites free reign over my browser and by extension my computer and personal data, but having some measure of control over them.

        And occasionally there are suspicious sites where I truly don’t want any scripts to run. I don’t even have to worry about them.

    • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
      2·
      9 months ago

      Are there even some left? Good old text+image-websites with pure information. Ahh the good old times.

      But why #5? What do have against https?

    • FarFarAway@startrek.websiteEnglish
      211·
      9 months ago

      To be fair I havent gotten one of those types of captchas in a while. And now there’s typically a reject all non essential cookies button somewhere.

      Edit: I will clarify. It’s not that I don’t get captchas, it’s that I don’t get the “which picture in the grid contains…” captchas. I keep getting some stupid puzzle piece captcha. Idk.

      • Dulusa@lemmy.world
        16·
        9 months ago

        The thing your missing is, when you click only allow non essential, that means it’s still 700 companies tracking you because of the great term “legitimate interest”. That’s the one you need to deactivate and this usually one by one as shown in this post.

        So yeah, you’re essentially allowing all the stuff the way you’re doing it

        • FarFarAway@startrek.websiteEnglish
          1·
          9 months ago

          Well its allow only essential / reject all non essential cookies.

          Idk I used to have to go through one by one and do this. Now there’s typically somewhere around 4 subcategories. Essential / strictly necessary cookies say always active and there’s nothing you can do to change anything in that category and everything else has been lumped into other categories you can reject by hand or hit the reject button. all those companies fall under marketing. I guess maybe if I turn off the marketing / targeting category, there’s some within that don’t turn off, but much of the time they don’t even give me the option to check who’s participating.

          Maybe I have trained myself not to go to those places. If I have, it wasn’t on purpose. Occasionally, i get interested in a subject and randomly search, but i dont do most social media so idk. Maybe I don’t even realize hit the back button anymore when i see it menus that make me do this. To me this post seems like something that I would encounter maybe a year ago , if not more. Not something I see on the regular now. (Edit: suppose since about a year or two after the EU passed their laws)

      • crazyCat@sh.itjust.works
        3·
        9 months ago

        Might be because you trained yourself to avoid those sites that need them. I stopped using some SaaS because logging in was just too hard.

        • FarFarAway@startrek.websiteEnglish
          2·
          9 months ago

          I keep getting some stupid drag this puzzle piece, in a straight line, into place. I’ve gotten 1 grid like that and a word captcha in the past 6 months.

        • RachelRodent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          1·
          9 months ago

          I don’t with proton vpn plus at the moment tho I have ublock origgin blocking third party dcripts and noscript blocking most scripts all tpgether on my pc soo half the website that migh show them probably don’t even work

          • Kuma@lemmy.world
            2·
            9 months ago

            Same (proton and ublocker), but I have also found that some web pages cares what browser you use if you are on proton. If I use chrome then they may just do the verification when you wait 3 seconds but with Firefox and proton (not without proton) do I get a lot of captcha sometimes even after each other just to make triple sure I am not a bot… or even get blocked entirely…

      • Kedly@lemm.ee
        2·
        9 months ago

        It’s VPN’s that’ll trigger the captchas. I never get them unless I forget to turn my VPN off after “hanging out with my peers”, and then a BUNCH of sites will captcha me

      • variants@possumpat.ioEnglish
        12·
        10 months ago

        I hate when I look up som simple info for a game and you get to a page that just has all this generated text telling you how you want to know that simple info and how they are going to tell you that simple info on that site and how this game makes you do that simple thing and some background about what that game is

        • Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com
          6·
          10 months ago

          Aargh triggering shit yeah it’s horrendous what funneling everyone on the internet through a single (or so) “research portal”

  • Vrtrx@lemmy.world
    471·
    9 months ago

    The cookies being pre selected is illegal in the EU. Although I’ve seen sites that don’t care and still enable them by default

    • Dicska@lemmy.world
      19·
      9 months ago

      The ones I’ve seen disable the ‘consent’ bits by default, but then there’s ‘vendor preferences’ where ‘legitimate interest’ is automatically ON in 58 places (I’m not exaggerating; I have counted it) and you have to manually off all of them.

      When you click the question mark at ‘legitimate interest’, all it says is some vendors are not asking for your consent to use your data but collect it based on their legitimate interest.

      It’s infinitely vague and it has the vibe of ‘I’m not going to ask for it, I will just take it and I will use it for whatever I want anyway’.

    • XTornado@lemmy.ml
      12·
      9 months ago

      Here in Spain they started making the option to either subscribe… Or accept the ads/tracking…

      • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
        11·
        9 months ago

        Same in germany. That makes the whole thing even more useless, as everyone just is a subscription-based shit now…

        • XTornado@lemmy.ml
          2·
          9 months ago

          Yeah I see it seems it applies other places.

          I would be ok with it honestly if they like allowed to select sites but they did this “content pass”, https://www.contentpass.net/en , which englobe a lot of sites and lot of them I don’t want them to see a single penny from me because they are shit. If they fix that and I can pick and change it along the way am all in on it.

      • Vrtrx@lemmy.world
        2·
        9 months ago

        Same with a lot of news outlets in Germany. Although it’s not that difficult for me to use only sites that allow disallowing every cookie or just bypass the cookie popup

  • Sticker@lemy.nl
    37·
    10 months ago

    Most of all, I was sick of the captcha from cloudflare.
    On some sites, there was endless checking and it was impossible to view the content of the site.

    • Pumpkin Escobar@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      10 months ago

      Yeah, too many sites I’ve done 3+ captchas and still won’t let me in, and not even the ones where 1 cell has either a shadow or a sliver of a bike tire. And reports that bots are now better at passing these than people. I won’t use a site with a pick-the-squares captcha anymore.

      Click a slider is the most I’ll do. If anyone needs me I’ll be over here hanging out with the bots that are too shitty to pass a captcha.

  • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
    32·
    9 months ago

    We’re going to move very quickly to a DRM supported web model. There won’t be captchas, but you will require a locked down device (with no ad blocker) to access the content

    • AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de
      29·
      9 months ago

      That’s why everything is an App now, and every website tells you “it’s better in the app”. In the app they have full controll over your device and can access much more data points, while the website is controlled on the users site and might have AdBlockers and other security features enabled, potentially hurting their ad revenue and data they can sell. From a developers perspective it’s a nightmare to develop and maintain website, android and Mac os app side by side. Just having one good responsive website is cheaper, easier to maintain and gives you less headache with app store restrictions, reviews, device incompatibility etc.

      • Gestrid@lemmy.caEnglish
        2·
        9 months ago

        It definitely doesn’t take care of everything, but there are apps that run all the internet traffic on your phone through an adblocker. Most of the ones on Android setup a local VPN (a VPN running on the same device that’s connecting to it) and run their adblocker through that.

    • paholg@lemm.eeEnglish
      258·
      9 months ago

      Hear me out: part of me welcomes that.

      Currently, most websites are awful to browse, and a few are not. If we switch to a world where most are inaccessible to me, and a few are nice, then I’ll spend less time being frustrated by cookie popups and the like.

      Like, if a site’s going to be terrible, I almost prefer it just not let me in at all.

      As an example, I used to click the occasional Twitter link. Now that I can’t see comments, I refuse, and life is a bit improved.

      • pmk@lemmy.sdf.org
        2·
        9 months ago

        I’m with you. I’ve started using firefox with no extensions, not even ad-blocker. Whenever I am annoyed by a website autoplaying sound in a popup or asking me to sign up for their newsletter or whatever, I look at the URL and think: this website is dead to me now.

      • Threeme2189@lemm.ee
        2·
        9 months ago

        I tried to read comments on a TwiXXer link the other day and was unsuccessful. I thought I was just misclicking or something. You’re telling me it’s on purpose?

        That’s stupid as fuck.

    • Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee
      6·
      9 months ago

      I think this might be why my parents got ‘left behind’ by technology. It’s not that they couldn’t figure out how to use new stuff but that the last generation of it was shit enough for them to turn their back on technology as a whole. Once you’ve missed a chapter or two it’s hard to get back into the story. I can see myself going the same way tbh!

      • Olhonestjim@lemmy.world
        5·
        9 months ago

        The more I have to deal with ads, cookies, ads, authentication, ads, data harvesting, ads, password hell, ads, free news article limits, and let’s not forget ads, the more I want to go live in a cabin in the woods.

        Of course, those are hardly affordable anymore.

    • Plopp@lemmy.world
      5·
      9 months ago

      Yeah I see that, too. I’m looking forward to having to have a whole physical computer dedicated for the sole purpose of browsing the Shit Web™ because online services requires a specific browser and OS profile. Not. But the good thing about all that nullshit is that more and more alternatives will come along from people like us who are fed up. So that dedicated computer might not have to be used all that much.

  • Gekoloniseerd@lemmy.world
    29·
    9 months ago

    I use the addon ‘consent o-matic’ it automatically rejects all the cookies and it almost always works. Great addon to add to your (Firefox) browser.

      • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
        4·
        9 months ago

        I use “I don’t care about cookies” but it’s detected and blocked by cnn. Does ghostery work?

        Basically we are going to need more and more addon’s and functionality to mitigate this shit. Ignore all cookies, delete all cookies. Basically code for many specific websites to make them usable again.

  • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
    24·
    9 months ago

    We need to develop more alternatives like federated social media or even completely make web services p2p. And then have them somewhat democratically controlled, or easily able to migrate to alternatives without cost of loosing network effects.

    Especially something like amazon / ebay / paypal / ali would be awesome to replace with a “public utility” federated version. They tax so much of the sales and it all goes to psycho billionaires.

    • deur@feddit.nl
      5·
      9 months ago

      Web services are already peer to peer, you mean “decentralized”.

      • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
        1·
        9 months ago

        Not sure I understand, peer to peer is always decentralized, i.e. no central server. But the main feature would have to be that you can switch or fork a web application / service - but take your networks with you like a federated service. Not sure how that can work tbh.

    • I Cast Fist@programming.dev
      3·
      9 months ago

      I2P is a “peer-to-peer” internet, so to speak. Not much going on there, but it exists. If you’re old enough, think of it as a separate internet that exists in a Kazaa/eMule-esque network.

      • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
        2·
        9 months ago

        Oh I still mourn eMule haha. I always thought it was better than torrent, but torrent won for some reason - presumably because it needed more websites and servers to function and that created a market and a marketing gain. I guess I should check out I2P.