• Pratai@lemmy.ca
    26·
    9 months ago

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve always looked at punk (the music, not the ideology) as a thing that was, not is. Similar to classic rock. As in… there are no new classic rock bands. No one says, “hey. I’m forming a classic rock back and we’re writing all new material!”

    Punk was The Ramones, The Dammed, The Sex Pistols. Black Flag, The Clash, Dead Kennedys, etc.

    Just like how classic rock was Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, BOC, Rolling Stones, The Beatles, etc.

    Again, many will probably disagree, but this is simply an opinion on the matter.

    • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
      71·
      9 months ago

      I mean, you can have whatever opinion you want but this one in particular isn’t very helpful. Lots of new bands call themselves or are called punk.

      https://bandcamp.com/discover/punk

      Are you going to tell them they’re doing it wrong?

      You could make an argument that there is “classic punk” like “classic rock”, and maybe people would know what you meant, but that’s not really the language as it is spoken today.

      • kronisk @lemmy.world
        11·
        9 months ago

        Did you actually listen to any of the bands from the bandcamp link? A lot of them could not be called punk by any stretch of the imagination, but more genre tags mean a higher chance for listens.

        Some extra confusion comes from the fact that “punk” doubles as the name of a movement (or perhaps an attitude) and any style of vaguely ramones-derived music. Most of the time, it’s used as no more than a nice buzzword that simply means “attitude” in a very vague sense. To exemplify, “Noone is as punk as Celine Dion!” is a sentence that both makes perfect sense (you understand what is meant) and is complete nonsense at the same time. The words “dubstep” or “zydeco” cannot be used in the same way.

        Are you going to tell them they’re doing it wrong?

        To be clear, is your argument that the term “punk” is completely devoid of meaning and if someone calls their music punk, it must be? That’s really not helpful at all.

        • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
          3·
          9 months ago

          My argument is there are contemporary bands that call themselves punk and are called punk by others. There are subgenres like pop punk to further clarify. One could be a cliché pedant and say like “pop punk isn’t punk” but that was an eyeroller when 30 years ago when the argument was new.

          You said “a lot of them” on the search link can’t be called punk. But then some of them presumably can be. So then new punk bands exist.

      • Pratai@lemmy.ca
        12·
        9 months ago

        Calling one’s self a punk band doesn’t make it a punk band. And again, find me a band on bandcamp that describes themselves as a classic rock back writing new material.

          • Pratai@lemmy.ca
            12·
            9 months ago

            Because no one calls it “classic punk.” Greed Day and Black Flag are NOT the same type of music.

            • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
              4·
              9 months ago

              Green Day is typically called pop punk. Subgenres and other categorization tools exist for good reason.

              If you want to start calling things “classic punk” go ahead. People will probably know what you mean. But to be like “sorry you can’t be punk in 2023” is shitty gatekeeping.

              Edit: not going to acknowledge crobot?

        • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works
          5·
          9 months ago

          Only if you want to start circumcising mosquitos here.

          Classical as a word typically refers to the period of time the Greeks were at their height.

          Classical Rock uses the spirit of the word Classical to describe this era of rock and roll as the basis for modern Rock and Roll.

          Now if you want to use the term classical rock to describe an era, then no that era is gone. If you want to decide that only the period of the 70s and early 80s that punk was as you describe it then SURE punk is dead.

          But punk started before the 70s and will continue long after you and I are dead.

          By the arbitrary definition that punk was a genre of rock music that existed only during a certain time period… sure it was and no longer is.

          I simply champion the idea that labeling punk as a genre is ironic in and of itself, to say it fits in a narrow definition is also kinda ironic.

        • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
          2·
          9 months ago

          Yes, but they won’t release new music, because then it wouldn’t be classic anymore.

      • Pratai@lemmy.ca
        04·
        9 months ago

        I’m 51 years old, you clown. I remember these bands when most of them were still touring- and was at a Pink Floyd show as a child back in 81’. I have MANY first edition vinyls from a lot of them as well.

        The fact that you came out missing so hard on such a big swing- shows how much you’ve yet to learn about talking to people you know nothing about.

    • cannache@slrpnk.net
      3·
      9 months ago

      Hmmm classic punk huh. I feel like the genre and sound has changed so much, but I’m still amazed that the identity has kept in tact. Truly a masterpiece of sounds and art 😄

      • Pratai@lemmy.ca
        01·
        9 months ago

        My mistake. Should have realized who posts here and known better. This isn’t a place to share opinions.

        • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
          21·
          9 months ago

          My dude are you mad because you shared your opinion and people were like “nah man that doesn’t make sense”? So like you can share your opinion but don’t want anyone to respond with theirs?

          Sounds like you’re not looking for a forum. You’re looking for a diary.

          • Pratai@lemmy.ca
            1·
            9 months ago

            lol? Am I mad? Look at all the butthurt kids whining about how my opinion is wrong to them. They’re asking questions, I’m answering them. And you’re accusing me of being mad for doing so?

            Fucking hilarious! Grow up.

            • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
              2·
              9 months ago

              You seem pretty mad. In the other branch of this post you were like “No one calls themselves classic rock anymore”. I linked you one I knew off the top of my head and you just ignored it. I asked if you were going to acknowledge it and you just said “No”

              Maybe you’re not mad (you seem mad) but you’re not really engaging in good faith.

    • Taffer (they/she)@lemm.eeEnglish
      2·
      9 months ago

      I’m not really sure what part of your comment was an opinion, but “people don’t start punk bands anymore” is simply not true. There’s plenty of new punk acts out there, the genre didn’t just come to an abrupt halt in 1990. Just off the top of my head is IDLES and The Chats, but you can find tons of recent bands if you look.

    • andxz@lemmy.world
      2·
      9 months ago

      No one says, “hey. I’m forming a classic rock back and we’re writing all new material!”

      Sure, but I bet a lot of young talent are saying “hey we’re forming a rock band and that girl/guy in the corner over there writes kickass lyrics.”

      After that they either fail and few ever hear them play, or they succeed and a new band is born. Maybe they even eventually end up becoming legends of their own. It doesn’t happen often, but it does happen.

      Now rock and punk isn’t my jam so much, because I like mellow electronic stuff, but I know of one such band that I found when COVID hit and they’re just now beginning to really break through. It’s fucking beautiful when a band finds that essence that truly defines them.