• blahsay@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    I’m not sure if Hamas has noticed but they’re not exactly winning this war.

    At this point they’re obviously just trying to get as many Palestinians killed as possible for propaganda.

    The poor Palestinians have a government that’s actively trying to get them killed.

    If Hamas cared even an iota for their people they’d surrender and end the war.

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      If Hamas cared even an iota for their people they’d surrender and end the war.

      Have you seen what happened to parts of Gaza occupied by the IDF?

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      11 months ago

      This community has a large pro-hamas faction. Youve just pissed them off.

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        11 months ago

        That user is probably one of the biggest sources of Israeli disinformation on this site. Everyone is just tired of their shit.

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        I don’t really understand their position. Surely the option that leads to least Palestinian deaths would be something they want? It’s honestly just weird.

        Some of you Palestinians may die, but it’s a sacrifice Hamas is willing to make

        😞

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      11 months ago

      That’s what Israel is doing, has been doing, and would continue to do whether the hostages are returned or not.

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        If it makes no difference either way then they should free the hostages simply because it’s the right thing to do…

        It really shouldn’t be hard or controversial to support the innocent people on both sides of this horrible war. Free the damn hostages and stop the bombings.

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          The hostages are there for a reason, and that’s to give Hamas more leverage during the eventual ceasefire negotiations. There are Palestinian prisoners they need to release and goods they need to get through the blockade, among other things.

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            So you’re saying they need them for a ceasefire deal? Then why no negotiations for a ceasefire?

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            a reason, and that’s to give Hamas more leverage during the eventual ceasefire negotiations

            I don’t find “leverage” and political bargaining to be a good reason to take innocent people hostage.

            But even if I did, I think Hamas has a pretty fucking terrible track record of negotiating anything on the behalf of Palestinians. The October 7th terror attacks brought Gaza from the frying pan into the fire, and I doubt there will be anything resembling a ceasefire until the hostages are freed.

            The morally right thing for Hamas to do is to free the hostages and to turn over anybody who was involved in the October 7th terror attacks. The morally right thing for Israel to do is to implement an immediate ceasefire, facilitate aide into Gaza, and call back all illegal settlers in the West Bank. Will either side do the right thing? I don’t know, probably not, but I can only hope.

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              I don’t find “leverage” and political bargaining to be a good reason to take innocent people hostage.

              It is when that political bargaining is necessary to get people out of permanent “administrative detention”, and when people need… Well, basically everything (including food and water) in Gaza (that’s always the case because of the blockade). Remember that half of Gazans are malnourished.

              But even if I did, I think Hamas has a pretty fucking terrible track record of negotiating anything on the behalf of Palestinians.

              They don’t, though. Remember Sheikh Jarrah? Hamas takes hostages because it’s the only thing that works.

      • blahsay@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        Israel has said it’d end the war if Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages.

        Seems like the only way to prevent Palestinian deaths at this point

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          Is it?

          Because Israel was killing them before Hamas ever existed, and they won’t suddenly stop after.

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            Jews and Muslims fighting? You don’t say?!

            Israel has stated their intent and there’s enough international pressure on them that they’ll keep to it.

            I’m all ears about how you think Hamas prolonging the war for months more will benefit the Palestinians.

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              It won’t, but it will kill some Israelis as well, and that’s a sacrifice internet armchair generals are willing to make.

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          Israel is Nazi Germany, they won’t stop anything until they’re forced to.

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          Israel is Nazi Germany, they won’t stop anything until they’re forced to.

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      I mean, its not like they weren’t bombing the shit out of gaza in the first place, killing hundreds every day. I’d be surprised if Israel could bomb gaza any harder than they already are.

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      “Israel” is committed to destroying Gaza and getting revenge by killing as many people as possible. Hamas doesn’t want that, and Hamas has the hostages. So simply: want to destroy Gaza? Your hostages will go down with it.

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        Israel is committed to destroying the army of Hamas, and to prevent it from ruling Gaza. It is not committed to destroying Gaza.

        Hamas could end the war any minute. Pressuring Israel to let Hamas survive instead of pressuring Hamas to surrender and return the hostages is being pro-Hamas, not pro Palestinian.

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            I think it is quite obvious: to destroy the Hamas infrastructure and to kill as many Hamas militants as possible, while minimising Israeli casualties.

            If you have a better suggestion for how to destroy Hamas’ ability to continue to attack Israel I’m sure they would love to hear it.

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          Pressuring Israel to let Hamas survive instead of pressuring Hamas to surrender and return the hostages is being pro-Hamas, not pro Palestinian.

          “Not wanting the murderous government that is actively finding ways to kill and displace Palestinians in places that it controls to take control of Gaza is being pro-Hamas”

          Hamas are the extremists of the Palestinians, the IDF and “Israeli” government are the extremists of the “Israeli” people. Why would I want the IDF to take control of Gaza?

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Hamas, the group which controls the Gaza Strip, has ruled out any more hostage releases until Israel agrees to a “full cessation of aggression”.

    Fighting continues in Gaza, with Israel bombarding the north and south of the territory and Hamas firing rockets at Tel Aviv.

    Among the Palestinians reported killed were the director of the police station in the southern city of Khan Younis and a daughter of the head of the Gaza health ministry.

    The week-long truce this month brought an increased flow of aid into Gaza, where the UN has warned that the population is at risk of famine if the war between Israel and Hamas continues.

    In a statement, Hamas said: “There is a Palestinian national decision that there should be no talk about prisoners or exchange deals except after a full cessation of aggression.”

    Early on Friday, the territory’s Hamas-run health ministry put the overall death toll there since 7 October at 20,057, including at least 8,000 children and 6,200 women.


    The original article contains 467 words, the summary contains 165 words. Saved 65%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

  • ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Israel can’t defeat Hamas without catching them in a lethal, collaterally damaging strike on Qatar. The Holocaust of Gaza will continue until morale improves.

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    Sadly israel directly kidnapped many of the Palestinian hostages again after releasing them.

    The IDF kidnapped almost as many hostages as they released during the truce. Now more. And they torture their hostages whereas Hamas doesn’t. And israel violated the truce at the start of it by shooting civilians returning north.

    It’s sad that the IDF are such an untrustworthy terrorist organization.