It gives me hope for the future of beehaw refederating with that instance. They host some interesting communities. To be clear, I fully support beehaw defederating, it’s just heartwarming to see instance admins do things that move things forward
“in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance.” - Karl Popper
Gotta love the good ole tolerance paradox
No paradox there: tolerance is not a moral precept. Relevant quote:
Tolerance is not a moral absolute; it is a peace treaty. Tolerance is a social norm because it allows different people to live side-by-side without being at each other’s throats. It means that we accept that people may be different from us, in their customs, in their behavior, in their dress, in their sex lives, and that if this doesn’t directly affect our lives, it is none of our business. But the model of a peace treaty differs from the model of a moral precept in one simple way: the protection of a peace treaty only extends to those willing to abide by its terms. It is an agreement to live in peace, not an agreement to be peaceful no matter the conduct of others. A peace treaty is not a suicide pact.
While I understand what you are getting at, it is literally self-defined as ‘the paradox of tolerance’ by Karl Popper.
Not a paradox. Tolerance is a peace treaty, not a moral precept.
We don’t call it a “diplomacy paradox” when a country responds to getting invaded by killing the invaders.
sh.itjust.works also killed their c/thedonald community. Both of those instances are doing pretty good self moderating and preventing hate. Still dont need to refederate until the tool set gets better but I have accounts on both now and read them as much or more than beehaw.
Well, they still federate with exploding-heads… I don’t know if I’d say they’re doing good at preventing hate, it kinda feels like there was just a lot of pressure to kill c/thedonald.
I have a noob question. From a technical point of view, why does it matter to server A (beehaw) whether server B (world) federates with C (exploding nazis) or not? Since A is defederated from C, the content should be unavailable anyway. I completely get why a proper moderation of B itself is crucial, but what B federates with should be irrelevant if B itself stays “pure”, right? Again, from a technical point of view, because otherwise willingly federating with nazis obviously strongly correlates with allowing nazis inside. To reiterate, how is A directly affected by what B federates with? Is it merely a matter of lobbying or is there some technicality I’m missing here?
I think it’s more just the stance beehaw has in general. They don’t want to federate with the Nazi instance, or anyone that wants to do with them. Same way people don’t want to hang out with racists, or people who also hang out with racists.
I do share the sentiment, was just wondering whether there is more to it. I presume the answer is “no” then. (and that’s fine!)
The user’s comments are also content, and Server A can see threads from Server B, where Server C is trying to radicalize people to Nazi beliefs.
Basically Server C uses Server B’s neutrality to spread
And at that point, server A has to rely on Server B moderating for that, or their members still have to see that.
So basically when a heated debate between B and C happens, server A still sees one half of it. Is this correct? It makes lots of sense when you put it this way, thank you for the explanation.
From a technical standpint, it doesn’t matter. The point is more just that it’s an indicator of moderation style and what we can hope to see in the future.
It does seem like .world is trying to corral itself and curb the issues that flared up from their growth, so that’s very promising. Meanwhile, shit just works is still an absolute dumpster fire.
Actually, sh.itjust.works removed their c/thedonald community so they seem to be taking steps in the right direction too. Still probably not time to refederate until more granular mod tools are developed but it’s a promising sign.
Edit: Apparently they haven’t defederated from exploding heads yet, so that is a thing still. Come on sh.itjust.works, just do the thing. Make your instance better for it.
The like one dude running sh.it.do.nt.wo.rk is in over his head I think.
There’s been a vote up in their agora community for over a week now about defederating from the nazi instance. Administrators have done nothing. Not a good look in my opinion
edit: spelling
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Oof, yeah. That’s not great. At least we have Beehaw 🐝🤠
I GET IT! BEE HAW!!
🤣 I’m glad I could be here to witness your realization lmao
I don’t know how I managed to take so long LMAO
Lmfao I don’t know how you didn’t get it earlier, cause it’s so obvious. But for everyone else who doesn’t understand the joke, not me of course obv but for everyone else, what’s the joke?
Beehaw admins have done a great job of keeping the toxicity to a minimum. I don’t regret my choice of home instance.
Hear hear!
I can’t remember if that’s good or bad in British parliament.
As Earth-friendly pollinators, do we just shake our butts at each other to express agreement?
I vote yes! I’m excitedly shaking my butt in your direction as we speak. Lol! :)
Don’t just tell the queen she’s fat. That’ll get you stung, and you’ll spend the rest of the episode in a weird hallucination.
Don’t threaten me with a good time!
Also, I’m dreadcited for this new season. I’m dreading disappointment. I’m excited that maybe with 10 years of ideas in the tank, the writers will actually have put something wonderful together
Off Topic. I wish we had a link to the beehaw version of this thread so i could comment on it.
We’re defederated from lemmy.world lol
Ohhhh yeah… Lol
After this and hopefully more positive decisions, and Lemmy itself getting better mod tools in time, hopefully we’ll refederate with them. But as other comments from this thread show, the other one might be a lost case.
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Is this a comparison shot? I’m not sure I get it.
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Can you explain further why TheDude and Aviancarriers posts are of particular interests in this screenshot.
To my eyes. Aviancarrier is actively shooing away the one who posted the question. Why is that?
They’re both admins of that instance, so these are pretty much official answers for the instance itself, not a good look
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It’s sad reading these comments but I’m also glad I’ll never read these in here.