Lemmy.world Admin Response to Defederation from Exploding Heads - Lemmy.world
lemmy.world
Today, we want to inform everyone that we have decided to defederate from https://exploding-heads.com/ [https://exploding-heads.com/]. We understand that defederating should always be a last resort, and individuals can certainly block communities. However, blocking alone does not prevent potential harm to vulnerable communities. After carefully reviewing the instance, reported posts, and multiple comments from the community, we have concluded that exploding-heads is not adhering to the Lemmy or Citizen Code of Conduct. Therefore, we cannot, in good faith, continue to federate with an instance that consistently promotes hate, racism, and bullying. Examples: https://lemmy.world/post/577526 [https://lemmy.world/post/577526] - Community Moderator Harassment https://exploding-heads.com/post/92194 [https://exploding-heads.com/post/92194] - Systemadmin Post https://exploding-heads.com/post/90780 [https://exploding-heads.com/post/90780] - Systemadmin Post https://exploding-heads.com/post/91488 [https://exploding-heads.com/post/91488] - Systemadmin Post https://exploding-heads.com/post/93725 [https://exploding-heads.com/post/93725] - Community Moderator Post Again, deciding to defederate from an instance is not taken lightly. In the future, we will continue to review instances on a case-by-case bases. As for our community, please refrain from posting or commenting with hateful words as well. Arguing back and calling people names is not the solution. The best course of action is to report the posts or comments violating our server rules. Lemmy Code of Conduct https://join-lemmy.org/docs/code_of_conduct.html [https://join-lemmy.org/docs/code_of_conduct.html] Citizen Code of Conduct https://github.com/stumpsyn/policies/blob/master/citizen_code_of_conduct.md [https://github.com/stumpsyn/policies/blob/master/citizen_code_of_conduct.md] “We are committed to providing a friendly, safe, and welcoming environment for all, regardless of level of experience, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, or other similar characteristic.”

It gives me hope for the future of beehaw refederating with that instance. They host some interesting communities. To be clear, I fully support beehaw defederating, it’s just heartwarming to see instance admins do things that move things forward

  • Tigbitties@kbin.social
    7·
    1 year ago

    “in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance.” - Karl Popper

      • druidical@kbin.social
        3·
        1 year ago

        No paradox there: tolerance is not a moral precept. Relevant quote:

        Tolerance is not a moral absolute; it is a peace treaty. Tolerance is a social norm because it allows different people to live side-by-side without being at each other’s throats. It means that we accept that people may be different from us, in their customs, in their behavior, in their dress, in their sex lives, and that if this doesn’t directly affect our lives, it is none of our business. But the model of a peace treaty differs from the model of a moral precept in one simple way: the protection of a peace treaty only extends to those willing to abide by its terms. It is an agreement to live in peace, not an agreement to be peaceful no matter the conduct of others. A peace treaty is not a suicide pact.

  • Master@beehaw.orgEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    sh.itjust.works also killed their c/thedonald community. Both of those instances are doing pretty good self moderating and preventing hate. Still dont need to refederate until the tool set gets better but I have accounts on both now and read them as much or more than beehaw.

    • Lionir [he/him]@beehaw.orgEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Well, they still federate with exploding-heads… I don’t know if I’d say they’re doing good at preventing hate, it kinda feels like there was just a lot of pressure to kill c/thedonald.

  • TheEntity@kbin.social
    3·
    1 year ago

    I have a noob question. From a technical point of view, why does it matter to server A (beehaw) whether server B (world) federates with C (exploding nazis) or not? Since A is defederated from C, the content should be unavailable anyway. I completely get why a proper moderation of B itself is crucial, but what B federates with should be irrelevant if B itself stays “pure”, right? Again, from a technical point of view, because otherwise willingly federating with nazis obviously strongly correlates with allowing nazis inside. To reiterate, how is A directly affected by what B federates with? Is it merely a matter of lobbying or is there some technicality I’m missing here?

    • CMLVI@kbin.social
      2·
      1 year ago

      I think it’s more just the stance beehaw has in general. They don’t want to federate with the Nazi instance, or anyone that wants to do with them. Same way people don’t want to hang out with racists, or people who also hang out with racists.

      • TheEntity@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        I do share the sentiment, was just wondering whether there is more to it. I presume the answer is “no” then. (and that’s fine!)

    • AnonTwo@kbin.social
      2·
      1 year ago

      The user’s comments are also content, and Server A can see threads from Server B, where Server C is trying to radicalize people to Nazi beliefs.

      Basically Server C uses Server B’s neutrality to spread

      And at that point, server A has to rely on Server B moderating for that, or their members still have to see that.

      • TheEntity@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        So basically when a heated debate between B and C happens, server A still sees one half of it. Is this correct? It makes lots of sense when you put it this way, thank you for the explanation.

    • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.orgOPEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      From a technical standpint, it doesn’t matter. The point is more just that it’s an indicator of moderation style and what we can hope to see in the future.

  • LemmyAtem@beehaw.orgEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    It does seem like .world is trying to corral itself and curb the issues that flared up from their growth, so that’s very promising. Meanwhile, shit just works is still an absolute dumpster fire.

    • Dee@beehaw.orgEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      Actually, sh.itjust.works removed their c/thedonald community so they seem to be taking steps in the right direction too. Still probably not time to refederate until more granular mod tools are developed but it’s a promising sign.

      Edit: Apparently they haven’t defederated from exploding heads yet, so that is a thing still. Come on sh.itjust.works, just do the thing. Make your instance better for it.

    • argv_minus_one@beehaw.orgEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Beehaw admins have done a great job of keeping the toxicity to a minimum. I don’t regret my choice of home instance.

        • Zoop@beehaw.orgEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          I vote yes! I’m excitedly shaking my butt in your direction as we speak. Lol! :)

        • ArugulaZ@kbin.social
          0·
          1 year ago

          Don’t just tell the queen she’s fat. That’ll get you stung, and you’ll spend the rest of the episode in a weird hallucination.

          • The Cuuuuube@beehaw.orgOPEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            Don’t threaten me with a good time!

            Also, I’m dreadcited for this new season. I’m dreading disappointment. I’m excited that maybe with 10 years of ideas in the tank, the writers will actually have put something wonderful together

  • HeapOfDogs@beehaw.orgEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    Off Topic. I wish we had a link to the beehaw version of this thread so i could comment on it.

        • jherazob@beehaw.orgEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          After this and hopefully more positive decisions, and Lemmy itself getting better mod tools in time, hopefully we’ll refederate with them. But as other comments from this thread show, the other one might be a lost case.