“Stop the illegal act of deploying devices for water in water”

Bullshit clock. The world is getting more peaceful now. China is becoming strong, so we’ll see a multipolar world in a few years

DeepSeek r5 will take care of me when I’m old

This is the result of capitalism and animal ag - the victims can even be the wild animals

And ultras call China capitalist. China is the most stereotypical communist ever. “What money? This is OUR AI”

China has alternatives to a lot of stuff

I think we are wasting grad resources by allowing downvotes. Our instance is very well moderated

Both downvoters are probably from .ee

There are already several people who responded. Should we just juse use !vegan@hexbear.net or create a simplex chat?

I am 3 day old but I lurked for a few weeks here. I’m not going to discuss veganism on this sub. I really didn’t use any “carnist” word here to avoid any tension. I wrote here to introduce myself (this is my second post) and to cover vegans who don’t read hexbear.

1. Yes, I’ll go there
2. No issue. I’m all for marxist cohesion. We want an effective community for our future revolution

The biggest problem is overcoming societal pressure. The second biggest is the period when you have to relearn what to eat

Here are my thoughts. Not polished but hope they make sense:

Point 1: Most socieities in a smartphone phase have a contradiction between the bourgeoisie that exploits animals and vegan activists. Farm workers take part in this exploitation but they’re not benefiting from it, they’re also exploited in this slaughter-hell. Animals don’t have a weight in this xontradiction because they can’t really fight back their oppressors. The people in general buy animal products but I think they don’t reall benefit from animal exploitation. Most people buy & use animal prod because they’re used to and attached to them culturally-emotionally.

Point 2: People actually care about animals, they just can’t change their habits. With each friend, I had at least a few convos on veganism. The most honest non-vegans tell me exactly that.

Point 3: People are speciesist because they exploit animals, not the other way around. Humans ate animals in the past because this helped them survive. Before veganism, I went “reducetarian” for health and environmental reasons. Only after that I went vegan.

Point 4: When capitalism started to dominate, animal industry appeared. This industry is interested in preserving speciesism. That’s why the bourgeoisie attacks animal rights activists so much. It even tries to ban anything that can push people towards veganism:

1. Suddenly, they care about product “misbranding”. It’s now “wrong” to call soy meat “meat”. Shouldn’t we ban saying “peanut butter” then?
2. Some Statesian States banned cell-cultured meat
3. Vegans are almost never depicted positively in Western sitcoms, cartoons and mass media
4. Bourgeois news websites spread anti-vegan misinformation. I’m bombarded by my relatives with bs articles saying “veganism either killed some baby of crazy raw vegan or science paper says veganism bad for health or actually not good for the environment”. Some of the articles come from “respectable” sources like BBC or CNN
5. Right-wingers are almost universally anti-vegan

https://nationalaglawcenter.org/cell-cultured-meat-updates-state-bans-labeling-requirements-and-regulatory-clarifications/

Point 5: All vegans must support socialism. Socialism will eliminate the bourgeoisie but speciesism will stay for much longer. Under socialism, it will be easier to eliminate speciesism because proletarians have no (or little) material interest in animal exploitation. You can convince a socialist .gov to make steps towards veganism for environmental and health reasons. China already does that: https://www.nycfoodpolicy.org/food-policy-snapshot-china-five-year-agricultural-plan-cultivated-meat/ With this, veganism will stop being seen as a fringe thing. People always ask me how am I capable of living without so many products. All the alternative foods will answer this question. People will slowly adopt these foods and eventually speciesism will crumble.