Property lines the same international community admits and admonishes Israel for violating and the very same that have says time and time again gazan occupation is a crime by international law

Justifying - I was referring to this (on a side note - Israel isn’t occupying Gaza for nearly 20 years now).

Ok, so if understand you correctly, you’re saying that due to the disproportionality between Israel and Hamas military capabilities, the regional Islamist extremists are joining in to balance the playing field?

Maybe. Personally I don’t think so. I don’t think any of these organisation really cares about the Palestinians, but they do see an opportunity.

I reckon they think that the world and Israel is so busy with Gaza that they can get away with it, similar to what Putin is now doing in Ukraine.

It almost sounds like you’re justifying Hamas’s actions.

I fully understand the context, I’m just not sure I understand what it has to do with a post I wrote about the potential escalation to a regional war.

As tragic as it is, not everything is about the suffering of the Palestinians.

That’s a hugely inaccurate analogy. This is an armed conflict. People are dying and this child rampaged through the aged man’s internationally recognised property lines and committed the most horrendous atrocities the world has seen in 60 years.

But, again, I’m not sure I understand what this has to do with what I originally said.

I’m not sure I understand what you tried to say here. I was referring to Hamas’s leaders motivations and the current climate in Israel, not to Israel’s actions in Gaza.

There hasn’t been a major attack on Israel since the “war” began

That’s just incorrect.

At this point he doesn’t have a choice. Hamas offered to release about a dozen hostages for a ceasefire.

The Israelis repeatedly declared that there won’t be any ceasefire without the release of all the hostages.

If he accepts anything else he’s most likely to loose all control.

Unfortunately it seems that they will get what they want.

Israel has been bombarded with nearly 10,000 rockets, ballistic missiles and bomb carrying drones over the last month - from Gaza to the centre, Lebanon to the north and Yemen and Iran to the south. In addition there are almost daily terror attacks coming from the west bank.

There are civilian fatalities every day there. A school was recently hit and destroyed from a ballistic missile hit. Thankfully the city that was hit moved to online studies due to the threats so it was empty.

The only reason we don’t see a death toll of thousands of Israelis is due to extreme defence measurements including the evacuation of more than 250,000 Israelis from the north and centre.

The whole situation is just escalating by the day and the massive attacks are fuelling Israelis rage.

Both the Houthis and Hezbollah hinted a massive attack tomorrow. Another serious hit to Israeli civilians will send this whole thing over a cliff.

Israel announced right at the start that its target is to eliminate Hamas and PIJ.

Since there are:

1. About 30,000-40,000 Hamas members in the Al-Qassam Brigades and
2. About 6,000 members in the PIJ and
3. Assuming 1 civilian casualty per 3 combative casualties

Then unless something substantial changes, the death toll is expected to rise to around 50k-60k . This is really just the beginning.

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First of all, sarcasm bro

Sorry mate, so many layers and seriously made wild claims that it’s becoming really hard to detect…

While the phenomenon of blaming valid criticism as antisemitism exists, the counter claim which you made is now completely weaponised.

In this entire thread, you’re the only person that mentioned antisemitism and the vast majority of the comments are very one sided in criticising Israel.

Yeah, but unfortunately there are a lot of vile people on social media and some claiming to be Hamas contacted her mother saying that she survived and is being treated by them.

Israel found a piece of bone from her skull and they say that she couldn’t have survived.

The latest UN Document for Children and Armed Conflict report https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/{65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9}/S_2023_363.pdf , item 95 - identifies and calls to stop PIJ and Hamas from “killing and maiming and the recruitment and use of children”

This is the most official source on the matter.

Netanyahu is a political animal.

He doesn’t care about the hostages, the Palestinians and most of the Israelis. He just barely cares about some of them.

He has one and only one objective here - to win back the 50% votes that he lost because of the terror attack. He’s already blaming the army and those who protested against him, saying that this attack was made possible because of them. According to Israeli media he has PR advisors with him when selecting military objectives and targets to help him choose the best option that will win him the more votes back.

If this goes on I think that there’s a chance that we’ll see a military coup in Israel.

Don’t ask to be spoon fed information - that’s how you get incorrect and inaccurate info.

Here, a simple google search to start with https://www.google.com/search?q=gaza+children+soldiers

You keep attacking straw men.

There are children soldiers and Gaza. There are 16 and 17 years old (and younger) that have active combative roles. You don’t have to look far to find them, just go to the Hamas and Gaza social media profiles and see the profiles of their operatives.

It’s deplorable, it’s tragic, but it’s the reality.

I’m not redefining childhood and I’m not supporting killing of children. I do say that when reading these kind of reports you should be aware that they show only a part of the information.

So by avoiding any action you would allow them to fire the rocket.

I understand and respect that.

It’s a huge gray area and just one example of the complex morality component of this conflict.

Reasoning? Critical thinking? Logic? Seeing things as complex rather than one side is 100% correct and the other is 100% at fault? Answering to the point instead of bombastic statements or disinformation aimed to trigger emotional responses?

Stop behaving like a fanatic.

I really couldn’t say in this case, and I’m very happy that I’m not the one that has to make this choice . Quite a few soldiers in conflict areas lost their lives because they couldn’t either.

And while at it, could you please clarify the morality of killing kids in their beds by bombing the houses they are living in?

Read my first sentence in the original message.

So the terrorist designation all depends on the point of view and who’s in charge

There’s point of view and there is the international law. The legal terms is that the IDF is a country’s military and as such it is expected to uphold international treaties, it is held to high standards and it receives a lot scrutiny when it goes out of line or makes mistakes. Hamas is a terror organisation and therefore none of this applies to it, but also killing its operatives is not considered murder or a war crime.

If you’re asking for my personal opinion - it’s about intent. Organisations that have the clear intentions to kill and hurt as many civilians as possible are clearly terrorist organisations. Internationally recognised organisations that do not and try to minimise civilians casualties are not. Everything in between is a case by case gray area.

I can’t attest to what the average person in Gaza thinks, but I reckon after 20 years of Hamas rule a lot of the people are already indoctrinated and their world view, specifically regarding Jewish people, is at least somewhat detached from reality. This is clearly reflected in the pro Palestinian Arabic social media profiles.

Bigger font doesn’t make you more right.

You can choose whatever age you deem acceptable for the Qassam Brigades and do some math to get the “real” number of children victims

That’s just the thing with manipulating numbers - we can’t do the math. That’s why it’s so effective and why you need to apply critical reading to these kind of reports.

And if they were armed teens, should we kill them

Answer me this - say you have a group of people preparing to launch a rocket. That rocket is inaccurate but they aim it towards a city. There’s a high chance that you’ll be able to intercept it, but there’s always a chance that it’ll fall on a building and kill civilians.

You can target this group, drop a bomb on them and stop them from firing this rocket. Now you learn that 2 of them are 17 years old. Do you drop the bomb? Or do you let them fire the rocket?

You’re ignoring the main points and attacking a straw man again.