Although there are exceptional cases such as Germany’s, where large enough companies must assign a percentage of the BoD positions

Codetermination/worker representation is a thing in some countries, but with the exception of Germany, it’s not half of the BoD.

I’d probably put Sanders left of plenty of European social-democratic parties

I’m sure there are members of social democratic politicians who are as left wing or even more left wing than Bernie. I think if he was European, he would be in the left wing of a social democratic party. But what many people don’t seem to want to realize is that we aren’t living in the 70s anymore… Europe might have some remains of social democratic elements left, but barely…

And it certainly isn’t “standard governmental procedure”. And I do wish Bernies policies were the norm in Europe, but they simply aren’t…

The comment wasn’t about whether worker councils are a thing or not, the comment was about Sander’s policies being “standard govermental procedure” in Europe… They aren’t… I wish they were, but they aren’t, and I don’t understand how denying reality is in any way helpful…

So in Europe, it is standard govermental procedere to transfer 20% ownership of big corporations to employees? It is standard govermental procedere to have 45% of BoD elected by workers? Are you sure about that?

Also, most workers are so deeply alienated because they know that they aren’t working for themselves, they are working for someone else. Which is why most people simply stop giving a fuck at some point.

There is so much inefficiency because most who do the actual work don’t have much motivation to do a decent job, yet alone think about what they are doing because you simply get punished, or at least don’t get any reward, for thinking. And they people who (should) do the thinking often don’t have a clue as they live in a bubble.

And of course there is all the bullshit about shipping stuff across the world to do different stuff when it is completely unnecessesary…

The vast majority is not willing to die in armed struggle against the state…

Armed peaceful protesters don’t get hassled by the police.

There were quite a few shoot outs between panthers and cops, no? Some even argue that the increasing use of “swat” was, in part, because of black panthers.

Again, I’m not speaking out against armed groups, but it seems a bit romantized to say “armed protesters don’t get hasseled”…

Does it actually work? Because I fear that it doesn’t and just gives cops/the state even more excuses to further militarize police in the long teem.

I’m not antigun, but this seems like an arms race you can’t win.

Again, my point isn’t that poor people are happy or happier than the wealthy. My point is that our system doesn’t even beneft those who are (supposed to be) in charge. They think it does, but it’s more like an addiction that controls and destroys them.

Nah, there is definitely a truth to this. I grew up in a working class family who moved into a wealthier region at some point and I would never trade places with people who grew up wealthy. Pretty much all wealthy people are constantly unhappy, are obsessed with control to the point where they alienate their families, they are constantly scared of losing their control, status and wealth, constantly paranoid towards everything and everyone and often engage in self-destructive behaviour.

Of course, not having enough money sucks, it generates stress and restricts autonomy. But a similar thing happens at a certain level of wealth.

I think it shows that people yearn for power and control over others just look at all the karens, the reddit mods (you know which kind), the trolls, supporters of certain parties and so on.

I think that’s way too generalized. “The internet” paints a very distorted picture picture. First, the absolut vast majority of people online are lurkers, so you don’t see what they think or do at all. “Nuanced takes” barely exist because people just blast whatever is on their mind right now into the void that is then interpreted by millions of differently biased people.

The mods, trolls, etc. are the fringe of the fringe, often the types of people who have no real life, who cannot really fit into society and who have to find other ways to get attention/validation.

Mods aren’t some kind of villanous power hungry monsters, they are socially untalented nerds who want to do something that feels important, but who often feel unthanked, underappreciated and feel as if everything they do is wrong no matter what they do and who have to deal with the worst of the worst on the internet constantly. And then they are expected to have a discussion about every second decision they make because somebody feels that their comment was not interpreted the way it was intended and cries censurship if the discussion is blocked.

Given that it is somehow expected that moderation often happens without compensation (even though it is essential to a community), I’m suprised it even works as well as it does. If people in general were as powerhungry as you seem to make it out to be, people would kill for the chance to become a mod. In reality, the absolute vast majority of people doesn’t even think about it, which means the job is left those who probably having human interactions in the first place.

I guess they imagine that extremist regimes will provide them with that power

Most don’t think too much about that stuff (or anything really) in the first place. Many “right wingers” aren’t like the disturbed “true believers” you see at rallys or stuff like that, for many it’s just the community aspect they crave and the rest is no mostly larping.

Absolutely, this is a good thing. The only reason why I mention it is so that people remember to keep up the pressure and don’t just start to blindly trust Biden to “do the right thing” all by himself. Biden needs “encouragement” and if he doesn’t get it from the unions, he will get it from some industry lobby.

Just remember, this isn’t Biden having a change of mind necessarily, this is more about Biden answering to pressure. The reason why Biden behaves like this is mostly because the UAW has witheld their endorsment for him, saying that “Biden has to pick a side, either the working class, or the billionaires”, that “he has to earn his endorsment” and that “they expect actions, not just words”.

I guess he’s trying to redeem himself

I mean that’s one way to put it, but at the end of the day, he isn’t some manga anti-hero, he is a politician and politicians want to be elected.

I am pretty sure this is about the UAW’s change of attitude that puts immense pressure on Biden, especially that they are withholding their endorsment for Biden until he “earned it”. And of course Trump is also trying to suck up to the unions, so Biden has to step up his game.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/09/17/uaw-auto-strike-joe-biden-union/70884657007/

This is less about Biden coming to his senses, at the end of the day, Biden does what is politically viable and smart for him. Sure, maybe he has become more progressive, but I think this has more to do with the UAW new militant approach.

And one important thing, which puts a lot of pressure on Biden, is that the UAW has recently always endorsed the democrats, but they now have withheld endorsment for Biden until “he has earned it” and “prooves his solidarity with the working class, not the billionaire class”.

And Trump is also trying to pander to the union, so Biden is in a lot of pressure to gain the union’s endorsment.

Temporararily is the keywprd here…

It’s similar to commercials and ads. Everyone thinks they are not affected by such things, but pretty much everyone is affected by them on a subconscious level. Why would companies such as coca cola spend millions of dollars on advertisements? After all, virtually everyone already knows what coca cola is.

Shock sites always had trouble with the law, which is why most of them have shut down by now and most social media sites remove it. Watching/consuming it is one thing, publicly and openly sharing/promoting it without effectively restricting access to minors will always bring legal issues and legal attacks… And even when the legal charges are fought successfully, it’s still a major pain in the ass most people don’t want to deal with… And then you also have to find ISP’s and hosters who are willing to host this kind of material.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotten.com#Legal_disputes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestgore.com#Corruption_of_morals_charge

https://www.dw.com/de/gewaltvideos-im-netz-was-strafrechtlich-erlaubt-ist/a-49871305

https://www.skppsc.ch/de/gewaltvideos-und-illegale-pornografie-auf-smartphones/

She called her “a little b*tch”.

Rechtsextremisten und Nazis sind in Deutschland ganz normal. Wieder.

Rassismus, sexismus, homophobie, Fremdenfeindlichkeit, etc. waren schon immer zu einem grossen Grad “normal”… Nicht nur in Deutschland, sondern weltweit. Da hat sich nicht allzuviel geändert und wenn, dann eher in die Richtung der Akzeptanz…

Ist jetzt wieder Definitionssache, aber das sind ja auch nicht nur Eigenschaften von Nazis. Das zieht sich durch die ganze Gesellschaft und lauert oftmals auch auf subtileren Ebenen.

Darum nochmals die Frage: Woher kommt der Erfolg der AFD? Wieso hatte die NPD nie so einen Erfolg? Was hat sich geändert? Das muss man doch anschauen, um die Lage anzupacken… Einfach zu sagen “Rechstextremismus ist halt wieder normal” bringt doch nichts…

Ich finde, dass “sich nicht mit den Positionen auseinandersetzen” kein Argument gegen den persönlichen Rechtsextremismus der Wähler ist.

Aber mir geht es nicht darum zu diskutieren, ob wir AFD Wähler nun als Rechtsextreme bezeichnen sollen oder nicht. Ich finde es gibt durchaus gute Argument Menschen, welche eine Rechtsextreme Partei wählen, als Rechtsextrem zu bezeichnen…

Mir geht es darum herauszufinden, wie die AFD gestoppt werden kann… Das ist doch letztendlich das Wichtigste an der ganzen Sache… Und ein Phenomen welches man unbedingt beachten muss ist dass die AFD Wähler anlocken kann, welche traditionell nicht in die klassische Neo-Nazi Szene passen.

Wenn man also sagt “Alle AFD Wähler sind Rechtsextrem” dann finde ich durchaus, dass diese Aussage nicht per se falsch ist. Das Problem an der Aussage ist mehr, dass sie andeutet, dass alle AFD Wähler den gleichen Hintergrund und die gleiche Motive haben, wieso sie AFD wählen.

Und ja, wer dann diese Partei wählt, wissend, dass es eine Nazipartei ist und hoffend, dass es ihm unter Nazis besser geht als aktuell ist dann schlichtweg auch rechtsextrem.

Wie gesagt, es gibt Menschen die AFD wählen und diesen “Nazi Narritiv” komplett ablehnen. Klar wissen die, dass Menschen die AFD als Nazipartei identifizieren, aber “das sind die Linken und rivale Politiker, die den Erfolg der AFD stoppen wollen und somit die AFD anschwärzen”.

Unterschätze niemals die Fähigkeit des Menschen, sich selbst zu belügen und eine komplett erfundene Realität aufzubauen.

Entweder wir gestehen ihnen die Verantwortung zu

Natürlich gestehen wir ihnen die Verwantwortung zu… Es geht mir nicht darum, irgendjemand als unschuldig darzustellen… Aber nochmals, es geht doch darum, den Erfolg der AFD aufzuhalten… Und dafür muss man zuerst herausfinden, wieso Wähler zur AFD wandern… Klar kann man sagen “weil sie rassistisch sind” und nochmals, das ist ja nicht unwahr… Aber da muss man doch etwas genauer hinschauen, ist ja nicht so als ob Rassismus vor 20 Jahren kein Thema war…

Und es ist ja kein Zufall, dass gerade in den Gebieten mit hohen Wahlergebnissen für die AfD rechtsextreme Überfälle besonders häufig sind.

Natürlich ist es kein Zufall, die AFD ist ja eine Rechtsextreme Partei…

Und wer dann nicht eins und eins zusammenzählt, dem muss man es dann nochmal deutlich sagen, wer und was er ist.

Wie bereits erwähnt, du unterschätzt die Fähigkeit des Menschen, die Realität zu verdrängen und sich einfach eine angenehmere Realität aufzubauen. Und glaubst du ernsthaft dass AFD Wähler als Nazis zu bezeichnen sie zur Vernunft bringt?

Das sieht man z.B. auch im Jugendstrafrecht, wo es wichtig ist Straftätern frühzeitig klarzumachen was ihre Taten über sie und ihren Platz in der Gesellschaft aussagen. Der Samthandschuh hringt da nichts

Ja und das macht man, indem man sie als Nazis bezeichnet? Ernsthaft? Ist das deine Idee von “Hart durchgreifen”?